[nunes]

I dont want to believe this compound its all pain(joints), no gain , is it?

[GuyverX]

Originally Posted by FrankJ

Not only that but everywhere you look there are articles and doctors who want to prescribe female steroids to women for birth control and hormone replacement.

Why cant men take Deca for birth control? The side effects are less than female birth control ( hundreds of women have died of blood clots from birth control pills ) Why is male hormone replacement looked down on?

Its total bullsh1t.

thats true.
all about supporting the big pharma who collude with the fda.
'free trade' my kettlebell, lol

[stl123]

Originally Posted by nunes

I dont want to believe this compound its all pain(joints), no gain , is it?

I don't believe so. I am on day 8 of 11oxo and as far as pain(joints) go I am having no problems(no sides at all so far). It probably is dependent on the dosing. I am currently doing a solo log on it if you want to check it out. However, I am @ 4 caps a day(300mg). I am currently not interested in dosing it at high level. I would not expect stellar weight gain on this, but it is working great as a cutting compound. My weight is staying right where I want and I am leaning out great.

[nunes]

Originally Posted by stl123

I don't believe so. I am on day 8 of 11oxo and as far as pain(joints) go I am having no problems(no sides at all so far). It probably is dependent on the dosing. I am currently doing a solo log on it if you want to check it out. However, I am @ 4 caps a day(300mg). I am currently not interested in dosing it at high level. I would not expect stellar weight gain on this, but it is working great as a cutting compound. My weight is staying right where I want and I am leaning out great.

I believe that 300mgs its safe in the joints but I was referring higher doses(for mass gain) like 600mgs , I hope some guys that tried this doses can tell me that I`m wrong...
can you pass me the link to your log, thanks

[Gutterpump]

no joint pains when I took it.

[king1033]

Originally Posted by nunes

I believe that 300mgs its safe in the joints but I was referring higher doses(for mass gain) like 600mgs , I hope some guys that tried this doses can tell me that I`m wrong...
can you pass me the link to your log, thanks

im hoping the same thing

[EasyEJL]

from ergopharm's site, a PCT isn't entirely necessary at 225mg/day, which is interesting

[king1033]

most likly its not strong enough at a dosage that low, i know a couple people who have used h-drol gained big but never need a pct and kept 90% of their gains (10-15 lbs) and they did it for 6 weeks and dosed it at 100mg ED, so i guess it depends on the compound

[Sub7]

Thanks Stl123... I have checked their site and as you mentioned, some of these issues have been addressed there.

king1033,
why in the world would you do this transdermally? It is hard enough to get the required dose orally. Also, there are no reports of this being liver toxic, so why make it harder on yourself by going the TD route?
Also, any logs or posts by those people who supposedly got "stellar results" from TD application? I never seen even one user who did TD with this...

[Gutterpump]

you can buy this compound in bulk, and it is more effective when applied TD.

Not only would it be more effective at a lower dose this way, but it would be more cost effective (buying bulk, using less compound)

[king1033]

Originally Posted by Gutterpump

you can buy this compound in bulk, and it is more effective when applied TD.

Not only would it be more effective at a lower dose this way, but it would be more cost effective (buying bulk, using less compound)

thank you for saving me from typing

[Gutterpump]

hehe np. I just wish I had taken my own advice when I ran it.

[Sub7]

I see
but what is the absorption rate when applied TD and what is the absorption rate -i.e. bioavailability- when taken oraly? how much are people using TD?

Thanks

[king1033]

Originally Posted by Sub7

I see
but what is the absorption rate when applied TD and what is the absorption rate -i.e. bioavailability- when taken oraly? how much are people using TD?

Thanks

not too many people to be honest are even aware of what transdermal is. and you only need to take around half as much to get the same effect because it gets proccessed in your stomach acids and not your liver if im not mistaken someone can correct me if im off by a little.

later!

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by Sub7

I see
but what is the absorption rate when applied TD and what is the absorption rate -i.e. bioavailability- when taken oraly? how much are people using TD?

Thanks

Truthfully I think nobody knows. The problem is that it requires at least some blood testing to be able to be sure, and since no one sells a transdermal adrenosterone, its not too likely someone will fund blood tests for that specific compound....

One company sells the raws, and a transdermal matrix (and believes they work well together) but i dont think they have done blood testing

[stl123]

Originally Posted by nunes

I believe that 300mgs its safe in the joints but I was referring higher doses(for mass gain) like 600mgs , I hope some guys that tried this doses can tell me that I`m wrong...
can you pass me the link to your log, thanks

Here you go. I am posting some pics tonight.

11oxo log

[Sub7]

bump for more opinions on this