USP Powerfull....full of s***?

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USP Powerfull....is it a new compound?

I sketched out the 1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzol(3,4 diol). Sure enough it looked exactly the same as 3,4 dihydroxy-phenylalanine or L-dopa. In other words, it appears that USP just used not commonly accepted nomenclature to identify their compound. For example, pyrobenzol is more commonly known as benzene....just as Dolichos Pruriens is more commonly known as Mucuna Pruriens. I attached a pic of L-dopa and I drew in USPs purported substiuent groups (teachers always say to show your homework).

That begs the question of whether this new compound is really nothing more than L-dopa.
 

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I sketched out the 1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzol(3,4 diol). Sure enough it looked exactly the same as 3,4 dihydroxy-phenylalanine or L-dopa. In other words, it appears that USP just used not commonly accepted nomenclature to identify their compound. For example, pyrobenzol is more commonly known as benzene....just as Dolichos Pruriens is more commonly known as Mucuna Pruriens. I attached a pic of L-dopa and I drew in USPs purported substiuent groups (teachers always say to show your homework).

That begs the question of whether this new compound is really nothing more than L-dopa.
Nice first post.

You must be friends with the Good old Doctor. Man must we go down this road again. We been accused and than defended our stance, accused again, and defended our stance.

The competition is bit pissed that our products work..
 

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Sorry if this has already been discussed. I've been following this board since last summer, but this is the first subject I felt compelled to post on. If you have the link to that discussion, then please send it along....if not I will search for it
 

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In our extraction methods, we extract for natural decarboxylase inhibitors. We've changed the nomencalture on all labels to protect our trade secrets.

As I said previously, I urge the PowerFULL consumer to use Natural or synthetic L-dopa and compare.
 

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Sorry if this has already been discussed. I've been following this board since last summer, but this is the first subject I felt compelled to post on. If you have the link to that discussion, then please send it along....if not I will search for it
Sure you have, I can sense your unbiased approach by the title of the thread.
 
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Sorry if this has already been discussed. I've been following this board since last summer, but this is the first subject I felt compelled to post on. If you have the link to that discussion, then please send it along....if not I will search for it
Interesting post, however rather than stating USP POWERFULL... FULL OF s***? (an accusational question), you should of probably asked it in a non accusational phrase.

This automatically creates hostility into the post. For example, which would you be more inclined to answer,

i) magicmartin full of ....S***?

or

ii) magicmartin....whats in it?

Pretty sure USP would have been more happy to explain to you what it was if you hadnt accused the product of being s*** before they even had a chance to explain.

Just a thought bro.
 
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I remember a long time ago I once made the same mistake in a thread title, and the reply that has stuck with me ever since then (And I'm talking a good 6 or 7 years ago) was

"You can catch more bees with honey, than with vinegar."
While it doesn't seem perfect, I remember it oh so well. Phrasing your question in a better way is sure to get you a kinder response . With that said, I think Jacob has already put this post to rest. /Thread
 
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I thought that
1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzol(3,4 diol) = L-Dopa was comon knowledge

And time and time again has USP labs said "Powerfull is not only L-Dopa..."

I do not know if Powerfull is or is not full of sh** cause I have never used, have you?
 
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I think it's a jealousy thing... Too many of this threads are popping up just when USP is about to drop another BOMB on the supplement world. Whatever - I've used a lot of different GH boosters and can say with an unbiased tongue that POWERFULL is the best damn GH booster out. (Period)

Martin - The title of the thread alone dictates what your true intentions are... Move on to another board with that crap.
 
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I used POWERFULL in the fall and even ran a log on it, I had very good results. . .I have to agree with mashedpotato magicmartin full of ....S***?
 

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i personally didn't get much in the way of physique change from powerfull, although some do, but I found the improvement in sleep to be VERY noticeable.
 
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I cant believe there are so many ignorant people in the world. Its tried and proven
 
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I thought that
1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzol(3,4 diol) = L-Dopa was comon knowledge

And time and time again has USP labs said "Powerfull is not only L-Dopa..."

I do not know if Powerfull is or is not full of sh** cause I have never used, have you?
The bulk powder 1-carboxy... im using right now, and the sleep is great. I would drop the money of P-full if i had it to drop.
 
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tread carefully, your magic does not work here.
 
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ive seen a libido increase, better sleep, and strength increase while on powerful
 
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I heard s*** was actually quite anabolic. :)
 
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while your at it dissect this please because it's causing a riot.

Recreate "Clinical Strength Fat Loss for Men"-Clicky Clicky for NEW info!
Hey careful with that I heard it had an alien worm in it that will hatch in your stomach and will eat you from the inside thus creating weight loss....:icon_lol: lol


Oh sorry I thought this was a the "who can say the stupidest thing about USPLabs products" contest.... my mistake
 
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It's no secret that Mucuna is extracted and utilized for its high content of natural L-DOPA martin, you've levied no revelations there. What may be a revelation to you, however, is Mucuna's propensity to carry natural decarboxylase inhibitors such as carbidopa, making it vastly more effective than its synthetic counterpart. What may be a revelation to you as well, is the expression of COQ-10 and complex-I which have neurorestorative effects on the dopaminergic ions in the substantia nigra. What may be a revelation, is that unlike the synthetic L-DOPA you speak of, MP actually regenerates endogenous levadopa, dopamine, norepinephrine and GH levels. I think it seems rather redundant here to mention that it actually increases hypothalamatic-pituitary-axis GH production by way of raising (and keeping high) levels of GHRH.

Posting a title like this is quite similar to "Designer Supplements..full of ****?" then imparting the board with your knowledge that DS extracts 3-4 divan., from the Nettle Root.

So, your question of "is this little more than L-DOPA?" seems rather juvenile in the proper context. What was it, exactly, that you assumed Mucuna was extracted for? It's sweet aroma, therein raising serotonin levels to produce a euphoric effect?

As you seem to lack the motivation to do some necessary research before you attack a product, let me hit you with a little knowledge son:

Mucuna pruriens in Parkinson's disease: a double blind clinical and pharmacological study.

* Katzenschlager R,
* Evans A,
* Manson A,
* Patsalos PN,
* Ratnaraj N,
* Watt H,
* Timmermann L,
* Van der Giessen R,
* Lees AJ.

National Hospital for Neurology and Neurosurgery, London, UK.

BACKGROUND: The seed powder of the leguminous plant, Mucuna pruriens has long been used in traditional Ayurvedic Indian medicine for diseases including parkinsonism. We have assessed the clinical effects and levodopa (L-dopa) pharmacokinetics following two different doses of mucuna preparation and compared them with standard L-dopa/carbidopa (LD/CD). METHODS: Eight Parkinson's disease patients with a short duration L-dopa response and on period dyskinesias completed a randomised, controlled, double blind crossover trial. Patients were challenged with single doses of 200/50 mg LD/CD, and 15 and 30 g of mucuna preparation in randomised order at weekly intervals. L-dopa pharmacokinetics were determined, and Unified Parkinson's Disease Rating Scale and tapping speed were obtained at baseline and repeatedly during the 4 h following drug ingestion. Dyskinesias were assessed using modified AIMS and Goetz scales. RESULTS: Compared with standard LD/CD, the 30 g mucuna preparation led to a considerably faster onset of effect (34.6 v 68.5 min; p = 0.021), reflected in shorter latencies to peak L-dopa plasma concentrations. Mean on time was 21.9% (37 min) longer with 30 g mucuna than with LD/CD (p = 0.021); peak L-dopa plasma concentrations were 110% higher and the area under the plasma concentration v time curve (area under curve) was 165.3% larger (p = 0.012). No significant differences in dyskinesias or tolerability occurred. CONCLUSIONS: The rapid onset of action and longer on time without concomitant increase in dyskinesias on mucuna seed powder formulation suggest that this natural source of L-dopa might possess advantages over conventional L-dopa preparations in the long term management of PD. Assessment of long term efficacy and tolerability in a randomised, controlled study is warranted.
 
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Does it not speak volumes that when some of our sponsors get called out or bad-mouthed, the troops rally around. This isn't the typical board - that's why AM is the best!

Great post Mullet!
 
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Mullet - post up cliff notes when you post something that long.

I ain't reading all that crap. :D
 
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It's no secret that Mucuna is extracted and utilized for its high content of natural L-DOPA martin, you've levied no revelations there. What may be a revelation to you, however, is Mucuna's propensity to carry natural decarboxylase inhibitors such as carbidopa, making it vastly more effective than its synthetic counterpart. What may be a revelation to you as well, is the expression of COQ-10 and complex-I which have neurorestorative effects on the dopaminergic ions in the substantia nigra. What may be a revelation, is that unlike the synthetic L-DOPA you speak of, MP actually regenerates endogenous levadopa, dopamine, norepinephrine and GH levels. I think it seems rather redundant here to mention that it actually increases hypothalamatic-pituitary-axis GH production by way of raising (and keeping high) levels of GHRH.

Posting a title like this is quite similar to "Designer Supplements..full of ****?" then imparting the board with your knowledge that DS extracts 3-4 divan., from the Nettle Root.

So, your question of "is this little more than L-DOPA?" seems rather juvenile in the proper context. What was it, exactly, that you assumed Mucuna was extracted for? It's sweet aroma, therein raising serotonin levels to produce a euphoric effect?

As you seem to lack the motivation to do some necessary research before you attack a product, let me hit you with a little knowledge son:

Mucuna pruriens in Parkinson's disease: a double blind clinical and pharmacological study.

* Katzenschlager R,
* Evans A,
* Manson A,
* Patsalos PN,
* Ratnaraj N,
* Watt H,
* Timmermann L,
* Van der Giessen R,
* Lees AJ.

National Hospital for Neurology and Neurosurgery, London, UK.

BACKGROUND: The seed powder of the leguminous plant, Mucuna pruriens has long been used in traditional Ayurvedic Indian medicine for diseases including parkinsonism. We have assessed the clinical effects and levodopa (L-dopa) pharmacokinetics following two different doses of mucuna preparation and compared them with standard L-dopa/carbidopa (LD/CD). METHODS: Eight Parkinson's disease patients with a short duration L-dopa response and on period dyskinesias completed a randomised, controlled, double blind crossover trial. Patients were challenged with single doses of 200/50 mg LD/CD, and 15 and 30 g of mucuna preparation in randomised order at weekly intervals. L-dopa pharmacokinetics were determined, and Unified Parkinson's Disease Rating Scale and tapping speed were obtained at baseline and repeatedly during the 4 h following drug ingestion. Dyskinesias were assessed using modified AIMS and Goetz scales. RESULTS: Compared with standard LD/CD, the 30 g mucuna preparation led to a considerably faster onset of effect (34.6 v 68.5 min; p = 0.021), reflected in shorter latencies to peak L-dopa plasma concentrations. Mean on time was 21.9% (37 min) longer with 30 g mucuna than with LD/CD (p = 0.021); peak L-dopa plasma concentrations were 110% higher and the area under the plasma concentration v time curve (area under curve) was 165.3% larger (p = 0.012). No significant differences in dyskinesias or tolerability occurred. CONCLUSIONS: The rapid onset of action and longer on time without concomitant increase in dyskinesias on mucuna seed powder formulation suggest that this natural source of L-dopa might possess advantages over conventional L-dopa preparations in the long term management of PD. Assessment of long term efficacy and tolerability in a randomised, controlled study is warranted.


YEAH!!! GET HIM MULLET!!! SCHOOL HIS DUMB AZZ! :clap2::goodpost: By the way, Powerful is the Shiznits! keep coming out with those awesome products USP!
 
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All I know is that I'm on my fourth day of using Powerfull and by night # 3 my sleep was so sound that for the first time in years I didn't wake up to use the bathroom. Obviously something is working.
 

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Does it not speak volumes that when some of our sponsors get called out or bad-mouthed, the troops rally around. This isn't the typical board - that's why AM is the best!

Great post Mullet!
The poster is pretending to be a research chemist on bb.com but has lurked on AM for years. I know a few research chemists and lurking and posting juvenile threads is not a characteristic.

We need to get a TRoll stamp smiley..
 
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its not a troll stamp, buuuutttttt all i gotta say is:
 
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Indeed!
The poster is pretending to be a research chemist on bb.com but has lurked on AM for years. I know a few research chemists and lurking and posting juvenile threads is not a characteristic.

We need to get a TRoll stamp smiley..
 
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Dont worry boys, Mashed Potato to the rescue!

From MP labs comes TROLL SPRAY!:



Contains:

10.2% L-dopa
45.3% MagicMartin Extract
0.7% Mullet Hair Particles
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(microscopic view of Mullet Hair Particle)
 
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Whoa - you greenies just got a bit different look.

(Sponsors used to have the same exact font as us gold members.)
 
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Whoa - you greenies just got a bit different look.

(Sponsors used to have the same exact font as us gold members.)
haha thats wat it was i thought something looked different for a sec...
 
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Y'all don't know nothing about no trolls. Here they come to post up blather against other companies.

On BB.com - they come to post up gay pr0n.
 

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Does it not speak volumes that when some of our sponsors get called out or bad-mouthed, the troops rally around. This isn't the typical board - that's why AM is the best!

Great post Mullet!
But this also generates a climate of fear where people who would otherwise post concerns about certain products keep quiet because they know they'll get swarmed. Just a thought ;)
 
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Y'all don't know nothing about no trolls. Here they come to post up blather against other companies.

On BB.com - they come to post up gay pr0n.
yea its dangerous over there sometimes..........
 
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The poster is pretending to be a research chemist on bb.com but has lurked on AM for years. I know a few research chemists and lurking and posting juvenile threads is not a characteristic.

We need to get a TRoll stamp smiley..
True. Everyone here scared him off. He is telling eveyone on BB.com he is sticking with thier site. Probally because of all the yuppie GNC groupies over there.

Hope I did not offend anyone who may post over there.
 
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All I know is that I'm on my fourth day of using Powerfull and by night # 3 my sleep was so sound that for the first time in years I didn't wake up to use the bathroom. Obviously something is working.
Hopefully you didnt wake up needing plastic matress covers?? Haha, I used Powerfull and even logged it here on AM (which is all banning together and teaching children to do their research). I had very good results with this product. . . .KEEP THEM COMING USP, CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT ELSE YOU HAVE UP YOUR SLEEVES!!
 
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That's blasphemy Magic Martin ! I will kill for Powerfull since it's that good !
 
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But this also generates a climate of fear where people who would otherwise post concerns about certain products keep quiet because they know they'll get swarmed. Just a thought ;)
It may seem like that, but this board will not attack a legit posting. A legit posting would entail solid evidence like Mullets posting, and then a well educated discussion would take place. A 4 sentance bashing ain't gonna cut it here.:whiner:
 
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Posting concerns are fine - It's when you label a thread, "Powerfull, full of sh!t," that gets people on the swarm. A civil discusion is great, but out right blasting a product isn't... Just a thought.

But this also generates a climate of fear where people who would otherwise post concerns about certain products keep quiet because they know they'll get swarmed. Just a thought ;)
 
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Posting concerns are fine - It's when you label a thread, "Powerfull, full of sh!t," that gets people on the swarm. A civil discusion is great, but out right blasting a product isn't... Just a thought.
Not only a product, but a proven product that has stood the test of time and critics put out by a company who has ONLY revolutionized with nearly every supplement released.

Its just a bad idea altogether ;)
 

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But this also generates a climate of fear where people who would otherwise post concerns about certain products keep quiet because they know they'll get swarmed. Just a thought ;)
We have many civil discussion about our products, and have witnessed other companies as well on AM.

But the obvious slanderous post is thrown to the Dogs.
 
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But this also generates a climate of fear where people who would otherwise post concerns about certain products keep quiet because they know they'll get swarmed. Just a thought ;)
He would have received a positive response had he been smart enough to keep the offensive remarks to himself. It'd be nice if he would have been more respectful.
 
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On BB.com - they come to post up gay pr0n.
i heard it was gay midget porn!
 

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