I think all NO products are junk.
With the pre-work out mixes, its really just the caffeine that gives you a boost, and it won't lead to an increase of strength.
agreed. all those things ever do is give me stomach problems and nasty burps
NO products are ****. I've tried NO Xplod, and it didn't do anything for me.
Also, why did you choose this as the title for the thread?
I don't completely agree with this..
while I'll give you that many of the products are overrated and not worth the money, there are some pre-workout supps that certainly give me a noticed increase in power, endurance, blood flow and energy. I think RPM and Ragnarok are both products that are certainly worth their price..
Caffiene is a part of it, but I use caffiene-free Rag and easily notice the difference in the fields I said above..
So while some NO products are bunk, there are pre-workout supps that certainly do deliver
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They're garbage. I work out in the morning and coffee is my pre workout beverage, water as I lift.
Not saying Muscle Crap and Bull Sh1t Nutrition are right, but they're doing a slight amount less harm than i'd think.
I would opt for a caffeine free pre-workout supp. Caffeine is a vasoconstrictor and is counterproductive to a good workout pump. I opt for some Creatine, Arginine, and Citruline Malate with some BCAAs (caffeine free Chaos and Excell mixed together).
I know some of you probably can't workout without caffeine though, lol.
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Well, it depends. There is actually nitric oxide uptake in your body. This is a scientific fact.
As far as if products increase this is another story.
I don't think that NO products have ever led to a gain in muscle size or strength directly - however, I still enjoy taking them sometimes because I like the psychological effect of seeing and feeling the extra pump. Definitely not something that I use consistently or that I would spend much money on.
P-Slin with a little creatine gives me just as much pump as any NO product, plus a ton of endurance...and I feel like it is doing more than just a mental stroke off.
This is kinda why I switched over to just sugar free energy drinks. I wish a company would come out with just an energy enhancer with aminos or hydrolyzed protein added in, but no creatine or arginine.
My ideal product would look something like Xtend, Poseidon, Taurine, and a good stimulant blend that doesnt heavily rely on caffeine, ie. tyrosine, green tea extract, glucuronolactone.
Dave Barr posted a great article about the pointlessness of arganine products. All of the scientific data that has come back from research indicates that Arganine does nothing except possibly increase strength output. No gains were made by double blind test groups using arganine.
I like Ragnarok and RPM. With Ragnarok, I don't get a lot of energy, but strength and endurance is increased. RPM....everyone knows the deal with that.
Thanks for the responses.
It just seems to me that, for these pre-workout mixes, they throw in some stuff they know works (creatine, caffeine, aminos) and hype up NO and slap a $50.00 price tag on it.... maybe its the caffeine and creatine thats giving you the "pump"?
Maybe I'm just skeptical.
I'd love to see some studies on NO, if anyone has the links.