- 02-04-2008, 02:39 AM
- 02-04-2008, 07:48 AM
02-04-2008, 10:13 AM
Man, I was lucky as crap last night. I went to my neighbors house for a SB party and NO ONE would bet me and I was giving the points. I would have lost my AZZ. Great Game. Giants played the better game, Their Defensive Line should have been the's they had Brady running for his life the whole game.
02-04-2008, 12:18 PM
Don't get me wrong, I think animal cruelty is very disgusting, and the people that commit such acts in the U.S. are huge pussies because they are pitting helpless animals against each other to fight, but Vick was found guilty and is serving his time. I hope he still has a job with the NFL when he gets out, and I hope he rebounds from this life experience and changes his ways. But to completely condemn a man for killing dogs?
02-04-2008, 12:35 PM
The roar at the bar last night, when the Giants won was amazing/hilarious/semi-disturbing, but hell, upsets are always fun! I went into that game not really caring who won, but once I saw the Giants turn it on, I was like, "Damn, this may be a fun game after all"
I guess all I'm saying is - that was a good game for being at a crowded college bar. Lotsa' entertainment! Lotsa' beer!!
PS: Still outta
02-04-2008, 01:02 PM
Also I bet you wouldn't support Vick much if it was your dog he had killed. Or your mom for that matter, you'd then have a whole different outlook. And leave Ted Bundy outta this, he's my hero...
02-04-2008, 01:04 PM
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02-04-2008, 02:20 PM
02-04-2008, 02:35 PM
02-04-2008, 03:11 PM
02-04-2008, 03:40 PM
You're just searching for an argument. Are you that mentally retarded that you would think I wouldn't be crazy pissed if he killed my friend or family member, or even my dog? I don't get why the **** you would even ask that, it seems to show your lack of common sense.
In the U.S., dogfighting is looked down upon, because in this country, it's regarded as inhumane. But go to other countries, and it's basically a sport. Does that make the inhabitants of other countries inhumane and stupid? Hell no, completely different cultures.
I find dog fighting just as disgusting as you do. But I'm not going to hate or crucify a man because he killed a few dogs. With the way the media and PETA bashed Vick, you would have thought he went on a murder spree.
02-04-2008, 03:43 PM
02-04-2008, 03:44 PM
Vick broke the law. He got caught and got what he deserved. He shouldn't be allowed to have dogs again. Other countries do it for sport, but we don't. It's illegal and inhumane here. It's part of some cultures overseas. It's done and over with. Sheesh. I'm sure he's a terrific athlete and did several good things, but dogfighting isn't one of them. We've all established that. Stop talking about murder, bashing one another's mother's, and so on and so forth. This isn't the 4th grade. No mom bashing.
02-04-2008, 03:46 PM
02-04-2008, 03:47 PM
02-04-2008, 04:35 PM
Just between his selection by the Falcons in the '01 Draft & early '07, here's a tribute to the great Michael Vick:
- In 2007, conflicting statements were made by his estranged parents about possible dogfighting activities in 2001. Michael Boddie, his father, who now lives in Atlanta, told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that around 2001, Michael Vick was staging dogfights in the garage of the family's home in Newport News and kept fighting dogs in the family's backyard, including injured ones which the father nursed back to health. Boddie said his son had been urged to not engage in the activity, but continued. He stated "This is Mike's thing. And he knows it." Within days, Michael Vick's mother, Brenda Vick Boddie, who now lives in Suffolk, Virginia, responded. She told the Newport News Daily Press "There was no dogfighting [at our home]. There were no cages."
- In early 2004, two men were arrested in Virginia for distributing marijuana. The truck they were driving was registered to Michael Vick. The Falcons coach Dan Reeves recalled that he lectured Vick at that time on the importance of reputation, on choosing the right friends, on staying out of trouble for the good of his team. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution quoted Reeves as having told Vick: "You are an Atlanta Falcon...Whatever you do is going to be a reflection on all of us, not just you."
- On October 10, 2004, Vick and the other members of his party including employee Quanis Phillips were at Atlanta's Hartsfield International Airport on their way to board an AirTran afternoon flight to Newport News, Virginia. While they were passing through a security checkpoint with Vick, a security camera caught Phillips and Todd Harris picking up an expensive-appearing watch (either a Rolex or a fake) which belonged to Alvin Spencer, a security screener. After watching the theft on a video tape, Spencer filed a police report. However, he claimed that Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, known as the Falcons "fixer", interfered with the investigation.Although Vick representatives declined to make him available for an Atlanta police inquiry, six days later Spencer did get the watch back from them, according to the Washington Post.
- In March 2005 a woman named Sonya Elliott filed a civil lawsuit against Vick alleging she contracted genital herpes from Vick, in the autumn of 2002, and that he failed to inform her that he had the disease. Elliot further alleged that Vick had visited clinics under the alias "Ron Mexico" to get treatments and thus he knew of his condition. On April 24, 2006 Vick's attorney, Lawrence Woodward, revealed that the lawsuit had settled out of court with an undisclosed amount. Many fans bought custom jerseys from NFL.com with Vick's number 7 and the name "MEXICO" on the back, as a reference to his lawsuit. The NFL has since banned customizing jerseys with the name Mexico.
- November 26, 2006, After a Falcons loss to the New Orleans Saints in the Georgia Dome in apparent reaction to fans booing, Vick made an obscene gesture at fans, holding up two middle fingers. He was fined $10,000 by the NFL for his obscene gesture, and agreed to donate another $10,000 to charity.
- January 17, 2007, Vick surrendered a water bottle which had a hidden compartment to security personnel at Miami International Airport. "The compartment was hidden by the bottle's label so that it appeared to be a full bottle of water when held upright," police said. Test results indicated there were no illegal substances in the water bottle and Vick was cleared of any wrongdoing. Vick announced that the water bottle was a jewelry stash box, and that the substance in question had been jewelry.
I could go on but there's no point, peace.
02-04-2008, 04:49 PM
02-04-2008, 04:57 PM
02-04-2008, 05:01 PM
02-04-2008, 05:24 PM
Alexander, obviously you didn't read my posts above where I said I think dog fighting is very cruel, and I think in today's society in the U.S., anyone who partakes in animal cruelty is a big *****.
Did I say I don't care for someone else's dog? NO. I said that if he killed my dog, I'd be extremely pissed. I can bet you $100 you don't really give a **** about the dogs Vick killed. Sure, it probably pissed you off when you heard about it, as it did myself (in fact, I was fuming with anger when I heard HOW he killed them), but you never thought about it after that.
Why don't you address the PETA *******s who compared Vick to a serial killer? They seem a bit whacko.
I think the hundreds of thousands of HUMANS dying across the world due to war, famine, starvation, and natural disasters is a much more important issue to address than some dead dogs killed by a celebrity.
But hey, celebrities sell like pancakes in the American news media, which is why they are ALWAYS top headlines in the news, especially when there is something negative surrounding their lives. Take Ms. Spears for example.
02-04-2008, 05:48 PM
I definitely care about those dogs that he killed, you would lose 100$ if their were any way for me to prove how much I care. These dog fights are brutal, they consist of one dog mauling another dog until that dog is to tired to fight back, at that time the dominant dog is basically eating the weaker dog alive, face first usually. It's so brutal and disgusting and makes me very angry. I thought about those dogs everyday for the first month or so, and I still think about it all the time. Of course I didn't have any attachment to those dogs, I didn't know them, but I know they didn't deserve that bullsh*t, just like my pets don't.
The comparison to a serial killer is extreme, but guess how all serial killers start out? They kill animals and then move on to humans. Not saying Vick would've done that, but if he is capable of slaying dogs, then he's capable of doing almost anything IMO. It takes a real sicko to do that. I don't think it should ever be forgotten what he did, it is a big deal. I hope PETA makes Vick's life miserable for a long time, he deserves it.
Of course their are other issues going on in the world that need to be addressed. Does that mean we ignore this issue? Of course not.
I'm sure you're not a bad person, but I think you might need to re-evaluate what kind of person Vick is. I'm done here, sorry if I came off rough, but it makes me sick what Vick did.
02-04-2008, 06:31 PM
Go Giants man, that was a great game. I'm guilty of counting Eli out, but I'm glad you came through.
Bill got fined for that b**ch move of his at the end of the game? I didn't hear about that, but I hope it's true.
No DCP for Bill
NSCA - CSCS
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