[custom]

I know the folks over at Avant rave about the stuff, saying it is possibly the strongest appetite supressant available, while raising BMR 5-7%. But for me, I just would not do it, with it being so addictive and I have an absolute distain for cigaretts that cannot be overstated. I was just wondering how widespread the use of the gum/patches is in terms of the fitness industry.

[max silver]

I've used nicotine for a few weeks after a ph cutting cycle, and think that it did help quite a bit in keeping off excess body fat while using it. I chewed 2 mg pieces starting out, spaced every 4 hours or so. Once I grew accustomed to the effects of 2mg pieces, I started to chew 4mg pieces instead. The gum is less than pleasant tasting in mint form, but I found that orange flavor is much more bearable.

As far as appetite suppressant effects I found it to be quite effective in this regard, although I generally don't need to suppress my appetite for the most part as I tend to make my meals beforehand and eat by the clock.

[jweave23]

I won't do it because I have a rough past with nicotine, lol. I quit smoking about a year ago, then started again briefly, now quit again.

But in general that is exactly what nicotine does, and many ex-smokers can tell you they can gain weight very easily after quitting without necessarily increasing cals. It is effective for appetite supression, and also most smokers know they can have a cig when they're hungry and it will tide you over for a bit. So does it it work? Absolutely IMO.

[max silver]

I found that I had no addiction problems with the gum itself, as I chewed it slowly as instructed on the package to avoid the instantaneous nicotine rush that cigarrettes would provide. I've been hooked on ephedrine and caffeine stacks, but that's more because I tend to stay on the stuff for 6 to 8 weeks at a time when cutting and then quitting cold turkey afterwards. But I didn't have any problems stopping nicotine usage after a two week period of using it.

[Mr_Baseball]

Hey bro....... try taking a dip of cherry skoal or take a chew of levi Garrett. It is not addicting to me because i dont have to have it all the time, but it does supress your appetite alot.

baseball

[lifted]

haha, baseball, your avatar is funny man.....

Anyhow, I stopped over my parent's house today, and I ran across like 4 boxes of Nicoderm. (Their house is like a flea market/wally world, lol)

It was my mother's when she decided to stop smoking due to the reality check her brother gave her when he was diagnosed w/ lung cancer.

I asked If I could grab em up. I have 2 boxes of the 22mg and two of the 14mg. I' going to start using them along w/ the greentea I've been drinking to help further reduce fat storage while I'm still bulking. I still have not had to do a cutting phase yet-- knock on wood, but I'm getting closer an closer to having to.

So, anybody that has any suggestions or some tips on what else I should do, or change up to get some descent results w/ these, hit me up.

I think I'm gonna break down and buy some ALcar and R-ALA too, since I'm just gonna do the natural thing for a while. But, funds haven't caught back up w/ the wallet just yet.

As far as suppressing app., I dont care for it. But, I'm just trying to take advantage of reduced fat-storage and mobilization if possible. I think I'll use some B12 for it as I have a couple of sublingual bottles of it.

Questions on the B-12 though, how many mg is needed for increased appetite w/ the sub. route? how much is toxic? Also, I have a couple bottles of vitamin-E that my aunt gave me, worthwhile at all?

My house is turning in to a supp store. heh.....

--thx

--One more thing, I have heard that green tea has fluoride(sp) in it which reduces thyroid output. Is this true?

[intv]

I've just started chewing 1 or two 2mg pieces of the gum a day, just to help with appetite, and hoping that it will keep my leptin levels up. Nothing blunts my appetite like green tea though (drinking it - not the extract), I like the bitter, clean flavor. Anyway, Jergo, I'm not sure if you've ever smoked, but I'd start with the 14mg patches, and if you start feeling dizzy, naseous, etc. - take it off for a little while. If you get too much nicotine in a smoke, through your lungs, the effects subside within a few minutes. If you get too much through the patch, gum or a cigar for that matter - the absorption is slow enough that you've got to ride it out for 30-60 minutes, and it sucks!

[cookmic5]

ummm.. dip is addictive, I'm quitting... for the fourth time! But if that is the route you choose, go with Skoal Straight, less taste in your mouth, less bull**** thought that your breath actually smells good afterwards!

cookmic5

P.S. if cheap and with flavor is your goal, Timberwolf Mint is acceptable... way too much knowledge on dip from a kid in the north

[lifted]

Heh, yea I used to smoke at least a pack a day from the age of 15-21. I have quit for about a year now. I found that I can quit easier than most cuz I have asthma which is an incentive. I know, I'm stupid, I was one of those kids in high school that didn't care about didley squat and ran over people in my quest to get what I wanted, etc.

Thats behind me know though. Funny thing is, that I had used a 14mg patch yesterday w/out any problems, but today, I had it on for a few hours and started to fell faint. So, I took it off and forgot to put it back on, LOL. I think I might be able to cut it in half, I'll have to read the label info more.

I can relate to the green tea. It surpresses mine too. Makes me feel really full right after I drink it. I found a good deal on the caps down here, so I might give them a shot.

Oh yea, I had taken (1) 2500mg sublingual tablet of my B12 today, and I could definately tell an increase in appetite. Def. not placebo, as I tend to forget a lot of what I do every day, heh.

[max silver]

If you get too much through the patch, gum or a cigar for that matter - the absorption is slow enough that you've got to ride it out for 30-60 minutes, and it sucks!

I wholeheartedly agree with that assessment, as I've had a few instances where I've ingested more nicotine than I can tolerate through gum form. It's a horrendous feeling to say the least, complete with cold sweats and nausea. I would have slept during these periods, but due to stimulation from the nicotine that simply isn't possible, and it really seems there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

I've also read that until you build up a tolerance for nicotine you could cut the patch in half, thus halving the dosage that you'd be taking in.

I don't know whether there's anything out there that could truly dull my appetite though, I think I could chew a 4mg piece of nicotine gum while downing a cup of green tea and follow that up with a big juicy steak.

[Lonny]

I just started a cut utilizing it. Heres my thread at Avant

http://forum.avantlabs.com/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=5353