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    Everyone's favorite creatine these days?


    Ready to try smething different.

    Ive been on CEE for years. Not sure I even feel the stuff anymore (LOL). Ive worked out without it just to see and I noticed little difference if any (placebo?)

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    I have used Body Fortress CM. The only reason I have used it is price. 5lbs for $12 @ target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Ready to try smething different.

    Ive been on CEE for years. Not sure I even feel the stuff anymore (LOL). Ive worked out without it just to see and I noticed little difference if any (placebo?)
    CEE is pretty much garbage. Go with any form of a micronized creatine monohydrate.
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    Micronized Creatine Mono is the way to go IMO. Also give this a read about cycling.

    If you have taken creatine, ephedra, or any other supplement non-stop for the past year or so, raise your hand? If you're a serious lifter and you're not raising your hand, then you shame on you. Most serious lifters believe that when they are "off" of supplements that their physiques will literally go down the drain. I firmly believe this because I have encountered many serious lifters who believed that supplements could make or break their physiques.

    At one point in time, I was one of these believers. However, I have realized the error of my ways and turned to cycling my supplements. Before I give you examples of supplement cycling, I would like to address a very important biological point. Without getting scientific, the human body is a fascinating piece of biological machinery. It is smart. Smarter than we choose to believe. When our bodies are exposed to exogenous substances such as supplements, alcohol, drugs, etc, it builds a tolerance. This tolerance requires us to consume more and more of the product in order to get the desired effect.

    This characteristic stems from receptor attenuation. You see, our body is full of receptors which have the ability to bind to specific receptor agonists and antagonists. Receptor agonists activate the receptors while antagonists do the exact opposite. So the more receptors you flood over the time, the more they become desensitized. This can lead to receptor burnout which can cause a myriad problems. So basically, abuse of a substance is a no-no.


    -Cycling Creatine-

    Creatine is one of the most popular sports supplements in the industry today. Why? Because it works. I've read countless articles which suggests creatine's effectiveness and not one which suggests that creatine is detrimental to the human body. However, all of the articles I have read involve the use of 20 grams of creatine utilizing a one month on, X amount of time off system. So the subjects all took 20 grams of creatine in divided doses throughout the day for an entire month and then took some time off. The time varied from study to study but for the sake of receptor attenuation, I would take at least 2 weeks off. If you've ever tried creatine, then you will know how quickly you can make gains when you first introduce it to your system.

    However, these gains began to diminish over time because your body simply got accustomed to the creatine. Now if you would "cycle" creatine, so to speak, then theoretically, you could make gains similar to the ones you made when you initially began creatine intake. There are numerous ways to cycle creatine and I will suggest a few ways which were successful for me in the past.

    20 grams for one month straight divided into four 5 gram doses while taking 2 weeks off in between cycles.
    10 grams after working out every day for 6 weeks and then taking 2 weeks off.
    5 grams after working out every day for 8 weeks and then taking 2 weeks off.
    Now you may cycle your creatine differently and if this different method works for you, then stick with it until it stops working. Remember that I am merely sharing with you some of my successful cycles with creatine.

    -Cycling Thermogenics-

    Now here is a supplement which I have abused for the past two years and I'm not even sure why. At first, it was for its proposed fat burning properties but later, it became apparent I was using it just to feel normal, whatever that was. The first time I took a thermogenic, I remember feeling this alertness which I have never felt before. What an amazing supplement, or so I thought at the time. If you don't know, thermogenics drain the adrenal glands. The more you use it, the more burned out your adrenals become. It's as simple as that. Now if you're wondering if your adrenals are burned out, there is an easy way to find out. If you get headaches and feel extremely lethargic when you're not taking thermogenics, then your adrenals are burned out. What you have to do now is to assist your adrenals in recovery by eliminating all stimulants from your supplement stack. This includes ephedra, caffeine, etc. Now you should take a lot of Vitamin B5 and siberian ginseng. The first few days are always the hardest because you will feel the urge to take thermogenics but you must resist. Do this for a few weeks to repair your adrenals so that the next time you get on thermogenics, you can maximize your gains.

    In order to keep your receptors from desensitizing, you need to cycle thermogenics. I have been very bad with cycling thermogenics since I've incorporated them into my supplement stack but I will tell you that it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the best way to take stimulants is to do sporadically. Here is an effective way to take any thermogenic and to keep your adrenals from burning out.

    1. 2-4 thermogenic tabs on training days for 4-6 weeks and then take 2 weeks off from all stimulants.

    -Supplements Which Do Not Need Cycling-

    Protein, fortunately for bodybuilders, is one of those things which doesn't need to be cycled. You can consume protein to your liking but experts suggest anywhere from 1-2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight in order to maximize muscle gains. I try to consume about 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight because the latter is difficult to do if you want to have something of a life outside of training and eating.

    Glutamine, the most abundant free form amino acid in the body, is another supplement which doesn't need cycling. Glutamine, whether you choose to believe it or not, is extremely important. If you don't believe me, then read some literature on glutamine because I don't want to sit here and walk you through its many uses.

    Multivitamins and antioxidants also fall into this category. If you aren't taking one, you should and you should do it all of the time. Most of us can't get enough of the vitamins and minerals just from the foods we eat and a supplement is the best way to overcome this. There are a few other supplements which I believe do not need to be cycled but these three are the most important. Taking these three year round can only benefit you.

    -Cycling Supplements-

    All supplements, just like creatine and thermogenics, should be cycled because of receptor attenuation. If you aren't cycling your supplements, then maybe it's time you thought about what you're doing to your body. Remember, it's better to train and supplement smart than to do it blindly. Train hard, train smart, think BIG!
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    I like the Malate and Gluconate forms, personally.

    I have a bottle of Giant's Creatine Phosphate that I haven't tried yet.
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    Reading that post on thermogenics makes me think it's time for some Reset AD.
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    micronized creatine monohydrate added into a premix of Xtend and kwik karb.
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    Bulk CM before workout, bulk CEE post workout.

    Going to give Neovar a run sometime to possibly.. also I have a 35 day trial supply of some new creatine that just came out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrasslin116 View Post
    Bulk CM before workout, bulk CEE post workout.

    Going to give Neovar a run sometime to possibly.. also I have a 35 day trial supply of some new creatine that just came out.
    Why do you like running CEE after your workout as opposed to CM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend View Post
    Why do you like running CEE after your workout as opposed to CM?
    CEE is supposed to be absorbed faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend View Post
    Why do you like running CEE after your workout as opposed to CM?
    My question too...seems like if it is a stomach upset/bloating thing you would want CEE before workout, and CM after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    My question too...seems like if it is a stomach upset/bloating thing you would want CEE before workout, and CM after.
    No, not stomach issues, I've just always done it this way and it works fine so I never thought of doing it any other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrasslin116 View Post
    CEE is supposed to be absorbed faster.
    I see. I just don't like CEE simply because of all the studies showing how quickly it converts to creatinine. I've never seen any positive effects with CEE, while CM works fairly well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend;
    CEE is pretty much garbage. Go with any form of a micronized creatine monohydrate.
    This is a pretty strong statement. Many users of some creatine-ethyl-ester products, for instance NeoVar (CEE with rhodiola rosea for enhanced ATP and phosphcreatine levels and banaba extract for superior nutrient partitioning), would challenge your blanket conclusion. It would be fair to say CEE did (or does) not work for you, not that it is garbage!

    Creatine monohydrate works for some, but definitely not for me. I will not call it garbage as a consequence. It is just not an option for me. Besides, I would like to see a study that claims monohydrate does not convert to creatinine at all! Monohydrate is simply the oldest form of creatine around, and consequently has many more studies behind it than any other form. And also has a strong lobby. It works for many, no doubt, but it is certainly not the only option. CEE is a valid alternative for many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    This is a pretty strong statement. Many users of some creatine-ethyl-ester products, for instance NeoVar (CEE with rhodiola rosea for enhanced ATP and phosphcreatine levels and banaba extract for superior nutrient partitioning), would challenge your blanket conclusion. It would be fair to say CEE did (or does) not work for you, not that it is garbage!

    Creatine monohydrate works for some, but definitely not for me. I will not call it garbage as a consequence. It is just not an option for me. Besides, I would like to see a study that claims monohydrate does not convert to creatinine at all! Monohydrate is simply the oldest form of creatine around, and consequently has many more studies behind it than any other form. And also has a strong lobby. It works for many, no doubt, but it is certainly not the only option. CEE is a valid alternative for many.
    I'm basing my statement on not only personal experience, but various studies I've read. CEE converts to creatinine at a much higher rate than CM. Perhaps saying its garbage was a little strong but its not as effective as CM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend View Post
    I see. I just don't like CEE simply because of all the studies showing how quickly it converts to creatinine. I've never seen any positive effects with CEE, while CM works fairly well.
    Right, I'm going to tryout some different creatines after this jug.. see what works best for me.
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    AST Micronized Creatine HSC is good shiz. Taste isn't bad, no upset stomach, and no bloat. It is my fav.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend;
    I'm basing my statement on not only personal experience, but various studies I've read. CEE converts to creatinine at a much higher rate than CM. Perhaps saying its garbage was a little strong but its not as effective as CM.
    Talking about effectiveness, creatine bonded to Krebs-Cycle intermediates such as Citrate, Fumarate, Malate, Succinate, and Alpha Ketoglutarate, or related compounds such as pyruvate and orotate, would, in general, show superior bioavailability and effectiveness, even compared to monohydrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend View Post
    I'm basing my statement on not only personal experience, but various studies I've read. CEE converts to creatinine at a much higher rate than CM. Perhaps saying its garbage was a little strong but its not as effective as CM.
    many of those studies put out claiming its conversion rate was that high, were put out by makers of kre alkalyn. ive read just as many studies proving that conversion rate to be false, as i have saying them to be true. i dont know much on personal experience, as i havn't used much creatine. i do plan on trying neovar in a week or 2 though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necroticism;
    many of those studies put out claiming its conversion rate was that high, were put out by makers of kre alkalyn. ive read just as many studies proving that conversion rate to be false, as i have saying them to be true. i dont know much on personal experience, as i havn't used much creatine. i do plan on trying neovar in a week or 2 though.
    Great! Would appreciate your take on NeoVar.
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    im going to be stacking it with igf-2, i have 1 of each, and i have 1 more of each that i should get by monday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necroticism;
    im going to be stacking it with igf-2, i have 1 of each, and i have 1 more of each that i should get by monday.
    Solid stack! All the best
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    im definately looking forward to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necroticism View Post
    many of those studies put out claiming its conversion rate was that high, were put out by makers of kre alkalyn. ive read just as many studies proving that conversion rate to be false, as i have saying them to be true. i dont know much on personal experience, as i havn't used much creatine. i do plan on trying neovar in a week or 2 though.
    Trust me when I say I'm aware of how certain companies spread propaganda purely for profit. However, there are far too many studies showing its ineffectiveness when compared to good old CM. But if CEE works for you or anyone else, then there really isn't much to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Talking about effectiveness, creatine bonded to Krebs-Cycle intermediates such as Citrate, Fumarate, Malate, Succinate, and Alpha Ketoglutarate, or related compounds such as pyruvate and orotate, would, in general, show superior bioavailability and effectiveness, even compared to monohydrate.
    I agree. Creatine Malate is supposed to be very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend View Post
    Trust me when I say I'm aware of how certain companies spread propaganda purely for profit. However, there are far too many studies showing its ineffectiveness when compared to good old CM. But if CEE works for you or anyone else, then there really isn't much to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanbane View Post
    Do you have any links? I'd like to have a look-see.
    I normally don't bookmark that kind of stuff. I just searched google and found a bunch of stuff.
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    i just bought me some of the new GNC Pro Creatine Mono pills. Its suppose 2 absorve into your muscles much quicker then powder form. And you just have to take 2 caps a day. I have been having stomach issues latley from the ALR Anabolic Switch creatine "has 7 different kinds of creatine in it". I did not like it at all. It made me very sick and i think it gave me a stomach ulcer. Ill give you all a report on the new GNC Creatine soon.
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    I still consider MAN Clout to be the best creatine around, period.

    That blurb on cycling? Bull****. It takes a month or more for the elevated levels from creatine supplementation to go down to normal levels. Taking two weeks off won't do a thing. That's why the OP hasn't noticed anything since he stopped taking creatine. Give it a month or two, and his strength will still be there, but number of reps/sets will drop.
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    i liked creatine thunder/ also cialabol/neovar. both cee types. in lay man terms i found the big difference between old school crea mono and cee was cm gave more of a bloat, upset stomach effect in addition to the positive effects. and cee had alot of the same strength/ endurance as cm without the water weight/ upset stomach part. also once most people stop cm you lose the muscle fullness/ where with the cee it was a more sustainable result and easier to not take as regulary to feel its effects. for some cm or cee is a stable so those are things to consider.
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    I just started lifting again b/c the basketball season is over and i decided to go buy some creatine, more protein, and some NO. I got Muscle Juice for protein at GNC, and i got Super Creatine HIgh Performance and Super NOS(Body Fortress) at walmart. I felt kinda stupid buyin from walmart but i read the ingredients and the stuff seems legit. I've been stackin Muscle Juice and Creatine b4 and after workouts and the NO b4 only. Has anybody used the Body Fortress Super High Performance Creatine?
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    CEE and CreaPure CM.
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    I like lemon sizeon.Taste verry good and just makes sence to drink throughout wo.I have to hold back on drinking it all too fast sometimes.The grape is good too but not the same,think lemonade on hot summer day vs grape juice.Now i'm just using the crea in xlevol(great pre wo sup),and myozene,i'm not sure if i'll buy myozene again.
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    For blends my favorite so far have been the blend in Rag and then the Orotine in Clout. Right now i am on Creatine Mono just because its so cheap and i have alot.
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    Creapure (CM) + AP will works! (if CM alone don't)
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    I used creatine monohydrate for a long time, but now I use Kre-allkalyn. Mixed with Anabolic Pump it is a fantastic combination.
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    For basic creatine, mono will do, but for a good cheap mixture Universal Nutrition - Storm is pretty good.
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