[pushinweightw]

I have always had better results when I use it on a cut. By better I mean I retained more muscle while losing the same amount of fat. This has always been a challenge, meaning to say I always lost way to much muscle when dieting.

[liftbig74]

Are there any side effects to of ecdysterone? I've heard it to be safe for anyone old enough to lift. Is this true?

[p5sky]

How is the Anagen/FenoTest stack? Got each for $10 from Scivation.

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by p5sky

How is the Anagen/FenoTest stack? Got each for $10 from Scivation.

Its the shizz, but dose the Fenotest at 6caps/day. The Anagen should have dosing recommendations on the bottle.

[TripDog]

Originally Posted by liftbig74

Are there any side effects to of ecdysterone? I've heard it to be safe for anyone old enough to lift. Is this true?

There are NO EFFECTS of ecty...let alone side effects, trust tried and true

[DaveGabe24]

Originally Posted by TripDog

There are NO EFFECTS of ecty...let alone side effects, trust tried and true

Hmm this seems a bit extreme to me. Arguing there is zero anabolic benefits, or something of that sort is reasonable but to say NO EFFECTS....I dunno about that one man.


There's been studies in humans proving it to help protein synthesis, nitrogen retention, recovery, etc.

[djbombsquad]

Ecdysterone or is plant sterol. Sterol not steroid. Plant sterols are natural evolutionary substances manufactured within plants that provide nutrients primarily to insects and some small animals.

To date there is no valid research indicating that 20 Beta-Hydroxyecdysterone (Ecdysterone) provides any legitimate anabolic (muscle building) effect in humans. Absolutely no published research. What little research there is on this compound is devoted to insects and rats.

[djbombsquad]

Sterols were promoted heavily in the 80s' but quickly fell by the wayside simply because they didn't work. They didn't work then and putting them in a bottle with a new label isn't going to make them work now.

[DaveGabe24]

I would also like to add that I feel this is one of those instances where you really need full studies. Abstracts just don't cut it with ecdy, there is too many variables that can skew results or give wrong impressions. From the dose, to the extract, there are many different parts to the equation of whether or not ecdy is effective. Not to mention, the term effective is very subjective, and people may be looking for different results.

There's been some good threads over at bb.com, I'll try quoting some of the threads so you guys don't have to dig through all the other bs posts in the threads

[thesinner]

Originally Posted by djbombsquad

Ecdysterone or is plant sterol. Sterol not steroid. Plant sterols are natural evolutionary substances manufactured within plants that provide nutrients primarily to insects and some small animals.

To date there is no valid research indicating that 20 Beta-Hydroxyecdysterone (Ecdysterone) provides any legitimate anabolic (muscle building) effect in humans. Absolutely no published research. What little research there is on this compound is devoted to insects and rats.

any chemical derivation of sterane is a steroid. A sterol is a steroid. Ecdy is a steroid. It is not an androgen.

[thesinner]

Originally Posted by DaveGabe24

Hmm this seems a bit extreme to me. Arguing there is zero anabolic benefits, or something of that sort is reasonable but to say NO EFFECTS....I dunno about that one man.


There's been studies in humans proving it to help protein synthesis, nitrogen retention, recovery, etc.

Ecdy also has increases the rate of Erythropoiesis (production of red blood cells), lowers cholesterol, and stimulates the release of insulin.

[DaveGabe24]

Originally Posted by thesinner

Ecdy also has increases the rate of Erythropoiesis (production of red blood cells), lowers cholesterol, and stimulates the release of insulin.

Yep, was just mentioning a few things. You seem to be much more knowledgeable on the subject matter, but I thought I'd try and throw my 2 cents in as I did give E-Bol a run a while back, and while it didn't help with mass, I most definitely noitced a bit of leaning out as my strength increased.

I agree with the majority that the hype was a bit strong, but I think with the right benefits in mind, the proper dosing/extract, ecdy can be beneficial in its own ways.

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by DaveGabe24

Yep, was just mentioning a few things. You seem to be much more knowledgeable on the subject matter, but I thought I'd try and throw my 2 cents in as I did give E-Bol a run a while back, and while it didn't help with mass, I most definitely noitced a bit of leaning out as my strength increased.

I agree with the majority that the hype was a bit strong, but I think with the right benefits in mind, the proper dosing/extract, ecdy can be beneficial in its own ways.

This is probably the 10th time I've said this, but ecdy is not a mass builder. It is an ergogenic aid that encompasses many important elements to strength, endurance, body comp, etc.

[DaveGabe24]

Originally Posted by Rodja

This is probably the 10th time I've said this, but ecdy is not a mass builder. It is an ergogenic aid that encompasses many important elements to strength, endurance, body comp, etc.

and I was agreeing with you

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by DaveGabe24

and I was agreeing with you