EAA's (Bulk) and BCAA's (Cut) Right?
- 01-11-2008, 08:39 PM
EAA's (Bulk) and BCAA's (Cut) Right?
I was doing searches here on AM but could not find a good thread (only about 5) that gave a good answer about this subject. EAA's are useful on a bulk and BCAA's on a cut right?
In one of the threads, strategicmove said that EAA's mixed with L-Leucine would the best of both worlds. What do you think?
I know a lot of people take BCAA's daily regardless of what 'cycle' (cut, Bulk) they are on.
Would combining them both just be a waste of AA's?
I had an idea of taking 20g of BCAA's on a Cardio day and 15g of EAA's Post-Workout on lifting days.
- 01-11-2008, 08:58 PM
Both can be good for cutting or bulking.
I've seen "pulsing" done with these for workout nutrition: 40g BCAAs during workout, 15g EAA post workout, then 15 minutes later your normal hydrolysed whey/carb drink.
If you want to gain weight, I'm not as familiar with EAAs, but for BCAAs 0.44g/kg bwt is the number to go by. So a 200 lb guy would use about 40g a day, taken between meals. 20-40g can also be taken during the workout in addition to this. If on a budget just go with 20-40g during a workout, but don't waste your time with less than 20g.
EAAs between meals can also be useful but I don't know as much about it. Combining with leucine would be nice for extra benefit.
If you use BCAAs they're supposed to be a 4:1:1 ratio, so I'd buy some bulk leucine and bulk BCAAs and mix them to get that ratio. The great thing is when you mix it up right it ends up BCAAs running you about $32/kg since leucine is cheaper. So cheaper AND more effective....good combo
01-11-2008, 09:52 PM
I'll just take 30g of BCAA's mixed wiith 10g Leucine Daily during the Summer. Thats when I would lose the most muscle is when Im riding bikes, playing baseball, and running around.
Im thinking of adding 10g BCAA's to Xtend for better taste and more BCAA's. I'll have to look at the numbers.
01-11-2008, 10:05 PM
If you are concerned about cost, just go with whey. seriously. About half the real experts with literature evaluation behind them still recommended protein from food and whey.
01-11-2008, 10:07 PM
Not the cheapest thing at full doses per day and with workouts, at probably up to 2kg/month or about $65/mo. However 1 kg could probably get you the 40g dose during workouts for around $32/mo. Not bad if you ask me. (that's with 6 workouts a week at 40g each to use 1kg of BCAAs per month for just workout doses).
But hell, it works!
01-11-2008, 10:17 PM
$17/month for 40g/Workout. Thats affordable.
Here's a plan I just made up:
-4 Scoops Xtend
-2 Scoops Extend
That would cost $30/month but I would be taking them everyday just less on off days.
I like your idea and all the information you gave me. Thanks a lot.
01-11-2008, 10:19 PM
01-11-2008, 11:52 PM
Whey is awesome............IF you tolerate it.
It's actually fairly common for people to not tolerate whey well. Some probably develop a sensitivity from consuming so much of it day in and day out, and some just might not tolerate it well because of it being dairy-derived (some note mucus production). BCAAs are pretty hypoallergenic since they're aminos.
The other issue is whey pre or during workout. It does require SOME digestion and digestion is shut down during a workout. Something like BCAAs, EAAs, or a highly hydrolysed whey won't require this and is more effective DURING or immediately before. After the workout whey works fine.
01-12-2008, 03:19 AM
01-12-2008, 09:56 AM
01-13-2008, 11:45 AM
I'm going on a cut in the spring and have 500g of BCAA's and I planned to take 10g during my cardio. Is that enough, or should I bump it up to 20g per run?
01-13-2008, 12:06 PM
01-13-2008, 12:39 PM
01-13-2008, 12:45 PM
01-13-2008, 12:55 PM
And what about taking 6gr.EAAs + 35gr.Carbs after cardio?
It seems its the best combo to avoid catabolism after exercise:
01-13-2008, 01:05 PM
01-14-2008, 08:27 PM
01-14-2008, 08:38 PM
01-14-2008, 09:54 PM
Yup. I find it's great for retaining muscle. BCAAs are also used to reduce mental fatigue, which is never bad when cutting
Bulk BCAAs are usually a 2:1:1 ratio. So you have to buy some bulk leucine to add to it to get the 4:1:1 ratio. This is awesome because leucine is cheaper than BCAAs, so it actually drops the cost/kilo down to like $32 for BCAAs. Nice.
01-14-2008, 09:58 PM
During the summer I want to Bulk up again. (more of a lean bulk) but cannot find a good supplments protocol. (my diet is planned out already)
5g Creatine Monohydrate
I also have 2 protein shakes in my diet through the day. At those dosages for 8 weeks..it would cost me about $117 for everything. Is this too much. I think it is..but those are basically the basics.
Any input..(this is for my bulk and not the cut)
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