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TheBenMan

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OK everyone this is my first post here on AM. I'm really glad that I found this website, I've been reading through the posts here and it is nice to have access to so many peoples experience.

The stack I'm considering is this:
IGF-2
NeoVar
RPM

All at the recomended dosages. My question is this, has anyone used this stack, or one similar to it? How did it work out? Does anybody have any good stacks they can recomend? And this may sound stupid but, I read the product descriptions for these products and some of them cause an increase in test. Will I need any PCT after using this stack?

Any feedback you guys can give will be appreciated.
 

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Phyto-Test is the new one out, might be a good try, it is the best Testofen product on the market.

I always liked LongJack, CustomCapsule has LJ100 I have some info on it. Nutraplanets LongJax is also a good choice as well. Desinger Supplements, Anabolic Extreme, there are too many to choose from it will take you months to try them all.

Over at CustomCapsule.com they have some of the more popular test booster and you can customize them yourself. Here is a good one, alot of these ingredient are in some of the more popular test boosters now.

Comes out to be 3 capsules. Dosed 2-3 times a day
3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran 400mg
LJ100 200mg
Colues Forskolii 125mg
Icariin 10% 600mg

Maybe through in some transdermal Formestane from Nutraplanet and you would be set.


Dug this up on LJ100, something to think about.

LJ100®: Standardized Tongkat Ali Extract

(22% EuryPeptides®, 40% Glyco SaponinS)

LJ100® Tongkat Ali is a well-researched, clinically substantiated herbal extract of Tongkat Ali shown to enhance male performance. The root has been used for centuries for fatigue, loss of sexual desire, and impotence. In Malaysia , Tongkat Ali is a national treasure, the object of a sexual potency and sports enhancement craze, and an ingredient found in hundreds of products.

LJ100® Tongkat Ali is the most potent form of Tongkat Ali, a science-based product that can significantly improve quality of life. Research by Johari Saad, Ph.D, and Ismail Tambi, Ph.D. at the University of Malaysia clinically demonstrated that LJ100® signficantly increased male and female sexual arousal and function. According to the studies conducted at the University of Malaysia , the patented bioactive eurypeptide in LJ100® has been shown to:

Increase muscle growth and strength

*Decrease body fat

*Inhibit Sex Hormone Binding Globulin

*Increase Free Testosterone and unbind Bound Testosterone

*Slow the aging process

Patented Proprietary Extraction Process
LJ100® Tongkat Ali is the most potent, patented, standardized extract containing 40% Glyco Saponins, 20-28% bioactive Eurypeptide® compounds, and 30% Polysacharides. The Malaysian Government funds LJ100® Tongkat Ali research and development with the sole mission of providing the supporting evidence necessary to grow the market for this promising ingredient. Additionally, the government has provided $3 million for the development of a state-of-the-art manufacturing facility with quality control and testing standards that exceed US GMP standards. According to the abstract designed by MIT/FRIM (Forest Research Institute of Malaysia) to develop a Tongkat Ali standardization process: “The uniformity of quality of the commercial preparations is questionable as often the age of the root, conditions of growth, and plant sources will undoubtedly affect the concentration of the bioactive constituents.” To maintain these product standards, the government in partnership with HP Ingredients controls the Tongkat Ali supply that it exports.

How does it work?
Tongkat Ali root contains numerous beneficial compounds and potent protective antioxidants which inhibit cellular aging. Our recent human clinical trials has shown LJ100® to increase IGF1 level and modulate Cortisol level. The bioactive Eurypeptides® significantly boost sex drive and function, in both men and women, by increasing testosterone and inhibiting Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (sex hormone binding globulin ), so that more free testosterone remains in the blood. This additionally stems the aging process, improves energy and sexual function, and helps to reduce risk factors associated with hypertension and cardiovascular disease. In vitro study shows that LJ100® is not only capable in increasing the testosterone production but at the same time it also influences the synthesis of which plays an important role in communication, psychological , pheromone- An a and sexual behavior both in human and animals.

Our scientists, Dr Johari Saad, Phd found that when given LJ100®, testosterone levels in animals increase by 3 to 4 times. In laboratory test on human testicular tissue, LJ100® increases the formation of testosterone fourfold. In men, testosterone plays a key role in the development and maturity of male sex organs, sexual desire and sexual behavior. In women, testosterone is the key to sex drive and essential to pleasure.

Human clinical research conducted by Dr Ismail Tambi, from the Specialist Reproduction Research Center in Malaysia have confirmed that LJ100® increases serum testosterone level, increases DHEA level, and decreases sex hormone binding globulin level considerably. When given 100 mg of LJ100® for 3 weeks, 91% of the subjects reported improvement in libido, 73% improvement in sexual function, and 82% psychological improvement relative to sex among the men participated in the study.

WATER – SOLUBLE EXTRACT OF LJ100 ® AS A POTENTIAL NATURAL ENERGIZER FOR HEALTHY AGING MEN
by M.I.M. TAMBI, S. OTHMAN AND J.M. SAAD

SHIQ results showed 62% of the cases having an increased or maximum score. Breakdown of the results showed increase in sexual desire and success in the attempts at sexual intercourse while on treatment and related well with the PADAM score’s results showing improvement in sexual attempts and desire. PADAM score demonstrated that 82% of the cases showed a decrease in total score. The breakdown included: 91% improvement of sexual component, 73% improvement in the physical component, and 82% improvement of the psychological component. The Vasomotor score showed improvement in 52% of the subjects. Analysis of DHEA showed gradual increase in the level from 26% after 1 week to 47% after 3 weeks. This suggests that the extract may influence the DHEA production, which would in turn subsequently be aromatized to testosterone. sex hormone binding globulin analysis showed that levels were reduced in 36% of the cases after one week. The reduction went up to 66% after 3 weeks. This suggests that the extract could have an effect on the production of SHBG. Consequently, when SHBG level declines, the Free Testosterone Index (FTI) goes up. FTI analysis showed an escalation of 39% of subjects after 1 week and 73% after 3 weeks.

THE ANABOLIC EFFECTS OF LJ100 ® Sareena Hanim Hamzah & Ashril Yusof
Fat free mass of the group supplemented with LJ100 Eurycoma water soluble extract showed a significant increment of approximately 2.1 kg. There were no significant changes in fat free mass in placebo. Body fat percentage were significantly decreased in treatment and placebo. However, a greater decrement was shown in treatment compared to placebo i.e. 9.14% and 6.57% respectively. The 1 RM test muscle strength test showed an increase in gross muscle power in both groups. The treatment group showed a greater increment in strength compared to placebo i.e. 6.78% and 2.77% respectively. The mean arm circumference in treatment group increased significantly by 1.8 cm following the supplementation while no significant changes observed in placebo group. The mean sEMG reading of the treatment and placebo showed a significant decrement in values after going through the exercise program. However, the treatment group showed 2.92% higher reduction in electrical activity of the muscle measured at the end of the experiment period compared to placebo (25.70% and 22.78% respectively). During and after the administration of Eurycoma, no adverse effects were noted within the treatment group.

LJ100 ® Saliva Testosterone Test

Saliva Testosterone Test of 9 Individuals 26-52 years of Age
¢ Dosage 2x2(50mg/capsules) morning & evening for 10 days
¢ Normal range for athlete 800 = 150ng/dl of blood
Volunteer
age
pre treatment
ng/dl blood
after treatment
ng/dl blood Increase
%

1
26
860 = 30
1,650 = 50
91.86%

2
28
580 = 30
985 = 35
69.83%

3
35
875 = 40
1, 576 = 60
80.11%

4
24
950 = 45
2,210 = 55
132.63%

5
29
755 = 30
1,345 = 35
78.15%

6
48
650 = 20
875 = 30
34.62%

7
52
450 = 25
765 = 35
70.00%

8
50
585 = 25
875 = 35
49.57%

9
42
350 = 30
480 = 35
37.14%


Data – preliminary data - more work to be carried out

Volunteers 1-5 are athletes - data are an average of 3 different studies at different times

Volunteers 6-9 do not exercise on a regular basis

2005 Human Clinical
20 male volunteers of various health conditions from the ages of 38 to 58 were randomly given either 200,400,600 mg of LJ100 (22% Bioactive Eurypeptides) or placebo for 2 months. The SHIM (Sexual Health Inventory for Male) scores were elevated to upper normal level showing improvement in sexual desire and performance for majority of the volunteers. The Aging Male Score (AMS) were lowered showing improvement in sexual, physical, psychology, and vasomotor domain for majority of the volunteers. Testosterone and DHEAS levels showed high normal levels when compared to baseline and is consistent with the excellent QOL (Quality of Life) score. LJ100 modulates the production of DHEAS, which would in turn be aromatized to testosterone. Bioavailable testosterone is needed to maintain wellness and enhance libido.

Full blood examinations showed normal limits even at 600mg dosage for all tests. LJ100 does not interfere with the platelets or hemoglobin and does not have any toxicity to the RBC. The liver function test showed no liver toxicity even at high doses of LJ100 . Renal function test showed that LJ100 has no harmful effect on the renal system even for men whose renal function is affected (as seen in the diabetics). Some volunteers even showed improved or normal levels of uric acid at end of trials. Tumor markers are sensitive indicators of cellular stress. AFP( Alpha Fetal Protein) identifies testicular cancer; PSA ( Prostate Specific Antigen) is used to detect prostate cancer. All tumor markers were within normal levels even at 600mg dosage of LJ100 .

The Lipid studies showed increment of high-density lipoprotein (HDL Cholesterol –good cholesterol) levels. Elevations of HDL are normally associated with a lower risk of heart attack.

Volunteers who were diabetic, showed significant effect on lowering the blood glucose levels. LJ100 does not exert hypoglycemic effects but may have influence on the cellular uptake of glucose.

The cortisol levels were in the higher normal level for the LJ100 group as opposed to the placebo group. T

High thyroxin indicates high BMR (Basal Body Metabolism Rate). Majority of volunteers on LJ100 have high normal level of thyroxine compared to the placebo group. This mean slight higher metabolism rate which can be translated to better weight management. Volunteers taking LJ100 have high normal level of IGF-1 at end of trials. Some with low IGF-1 level was increased to normal level after 1 week. Placebo group is showing no change in the IGF-1 levels. This study suggests that LJ100 has a secretagogue effect on growth hormone and modulates the release of IGF-1; in turn, making it a great anti-aging supplement.

Effect of LJ100 on Anabolic Balance During Endurance Exercise

Talbott S, Talbott J, Negrete J, Jones M, Nichols M, and Roza J.
SupplementWatch, Inc. Draper, UT & Source One Global Partners, Chicago, IL
Published: Journal of International Society of Sport Medicine 3 (1): S32 2006
Eurycoma Longifolia, commonly known as "Tongkat Ali" or "Longjack", is often touted as a testosterone "booster" and marketed to athletes as a training aid and performance enhancer. Rodent studies have shown oral delivery of Eurycoma extract to improve sexual performance and increase serum testosterone levels. Open-label human trials have suggested that Eurycoma extract may help prevent age-associated androgen defieciency, improve sexual function, and increase psychological parameters such as mood, ebergy, and sense of well-being. The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of Eurycoma Longiflia on testosterone and cortisol levels during intense endurance exercise.

Methods
We used a freeze dried extract of Eurycoma Longifolia (E) standardized to 22% EuryPeptides and 40% Glycosaponins. Male subjects (N=30) were recruited from a 24-hour mountain biking event and asked to provide a saliva sample before and after each lap for measurement of cortisol and testosterone by enzyme immunoassay (Salimetrics, State College, PA.) Subjects completed 4 laps (14.91 miles / lap) and provided 8 saliva samples over a 24 hour period. Subjects consumed 100mg of E (N = 15) or a look-alike placebo (P, N = 15) approximately 30 minutes prior to exercise.

Results


Cortisol levels were 32.3% lower in E compared to P (0.552+0.665 versus 0.816+0.775 ug/dL, P < 0.05). Testosterone levels were 16.4% higher in E compared to P (86.72+40.90 versus 72.47+33.77 pg/mL, P < 0.05).

Conclusions
These results suggest that Eurycoma Longifolia extract may help to maintain normal levels of cortisol (low) and testosterone (high) and thus promote an overall "anabolic" hormonal state (versus a "catabolic" state characterized by elevated cortisol and suppressed testosterone) during intense endurance exercise.
 
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First off, welcome to AM. We look forward to being your new BB home. I would also like to clarify that this is not a spoonfed environment. First things first you are going to have to learn how to data mine. This means using teh :gotsearch:

1. How to best use the search tool?

Go "Search > Advanced Search > Enter Search Terms that you want to find information on > Change drop down below search input box to "Titles Only" > Press Go

2. Is it really that simple?

Why yes it is lil billy!!!

To get you started the first time I have these links for you, I found these using the process described above:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2242784

and

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2242803
 
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Good pick!

OK everyone this is my first post here on AM. I'm really glad that I found this website, I've been reading through the posts here and it is nice to have access to so many peoples experience.

The stack I'm considering is this:
IGF-2
NeoVar
RPM

All at the recomended dosages. My question is this, has anyone used this stack, or one similar to it? How did it work out? Does anybody have any good stacks they can recomend? And this may sound stupid but, I read the product descriptions for these products and some of them cause an increase in test. Will I need any post cycle therapy after using this stack?

Any feedback you guys can give will be appreciated.
What your considering is a great stack to use. You have my vote for sure on that one. If you need any tips on how to get the most out of the stack don't be afraid to hit me up for some advice. You can check my log as well as I am currently running DRIVE/IGF-2/RPM. I've run all three before, but never stacked all three together until now....its the best stack I have personally ever used, but to each their own.

My Log:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/79970-samboz19s-partially-sponsored.html.
 
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Definetly a great stack man, makes for a seriouse recomp! Just look at the reviews as everyone has linked you to!
 

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Nope not a sponsor or Ross. I was just browsing through the threads and it looked like these products were getting some good reviews. I was just looking for some opinions. Today is my first day using the stack, so it's to early to tell how it's going to work.
 

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