Urgent Havoc/Epistane Question
- 12-28-2007, 01:51 PM
Urgent Havoc/Epistane Question
Hey guys, im new to this forum, but I have been reading for a LONG time. I have been working out for 8 years now, and im on my second cycle of designer steroids. I have ALL the supports for my cycle and this is the second time im running epistane.
I have my post cycle therapy with Nolva and all my supports set up properly and everything (Nolva 40,40,20,20) My epistane cycle is 40,50,50,60(60 If no sides). The last time I ran epistane was one year ago, I had absolutly no sides and it went great.
Im having some side effects that im worried about, Im getting back pumps but im not sure if its in the right area. They are more to my sides than in the middle of my back(is this normal?). And I was very sick about 2 days ago, Im not sure if it was related to my cycle, but if by chance im putting too much load on my kidneys liver, I would like to stop right away. Im on day 6 of 30.
so my questions are:
1. Where are the back pumps exactly supposed to be(im dosing taurine at 2g/day)?
2. Im feeling lethargic and havnt worked out for 3 days because of this problem, its disipating and im going for a workout soon.
3. I woke up the night before with shivers and a dry mouth, it felt like I was in crack withdrawl or something crazy, I think it could be caffeine withdrawl, because I had rpm for the last month and that went well but I stopped at the start of this cycle(im sensitive to caffeine).
Edit: I dont drink/smoke/do drugs, and im too lazy to post all my supports, because there are so many lol.
- 12-28-2007, 01:56 PM
your dosage is way to high. hitting your body with 40mg off the bat is a lot.. the sides should go away, its just that yourbody is not used to the compound yet.. hence why people go tapper up when they cycle with their dosage. Mroe is not always better. Lethargy is normal, once you hit the gym you should have great energy. Dont take this product with caffeine or creatien or any other stuff. just used cycle support by AI and you should befine. dont go up to 60mg and i would reccomend 50mg maybe on your last 2 weeks. DRINK WATER! take vitamin C
- 12-28-2007, 01:59 PM
12-28-2007, 02:07 PM
i have never experience any back pains in my life on cycles. btw, you replied to my question in another thread haha.. seems like were on the same day in our cycles lol. anyway, i would do a little cardio to spread hte blood around your body and jsut drink tons of water and you should be fine.. i really dont know too much about the back pumps though
12-28-2007, 02:11 PM
I think most of this is due to increased bloodpressure. I heard that Epistane and trenadrol were the two harshest compounds in reguards to elevating bloodpressure.
I forgot to buy hawthorne berry
12-28-2007, 02:17 PM
hawthorne berry is in cycle support i believe.. i might go out and buy some extra though
12-28-2007, 02:24 PM
I think im gonna go buy some, double or triple dose it, and also get some celery seed extract.
Thats gotta be the only thing I forgot, I have like 15 supports including 2g of milk thistle dosed ED.
Edit: I didnt buy cycle support, last year it got stopped at customs for some reason, so I bought everything seperatly.
12-28-2007, 02:48 PM
taurine at 3g/day and at least 1g/day potassium should help with back pumps or cramps.
any input if i should take liver longer and cycle support? or is CS enough
12-28-2007, 02:53 PM
I do my Taurine at 8-10gr/day. I didn't get any back pumps on superdrol until the final few days when I was slacking off on the support supps a little
Serious Nutrition Solutions Representative
12-28-2007, 10:58 PM
you should max out at 40mg, anything more isn't a good idea
12-28-2007, 11:35 PM
I agree with drksun that havoc at 40mg/day seems to be the sweet spot for most while minimizing side effects. Back pumps can be anywhere from your lower to upper back depending on many factors, so i wouldn't be overly concerned with their overall location from oneday to the next. Make sure you're keeping your fluid intake high because adequate hydration is a very important factor. I would also try increasing the taurine to at least 3-4grams/day and see it that helps.
Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
12-29-2007, 10:22 AM
Looks like y'all got it covered here
Amor Est Vitae Essentia,
12-30-2007, 02:23 PM
12-30-2007, 02:27 PM
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