New Products from Primordial Performance!
- 12-28-2007, 01:30 AM
New Products from Primordial Performance!
Hello AM members,
I wanted to give you guys a quick sneak peak for what we have planned for the 1st of the year…
Dermacrine Sustain, now Sustain Alpha: New ingredients working in synergy to make the existing formula more effective. This new Sustain Alpha uses aromatic oils to elicit a massive surge of L/H from the pituitary to stimulate testosterone production from the testes. These oils actually dissolve and enter your brain when you smell them, triggering this boost of testosterone. Primordial Performance also took things one step further by making another addition with the ingredient Diallyl Disulfide. This unique little molecule further catalyzes the L/H pulse and testosterone increase. The combo is nothing short of remarkable, and the name for the new revised product fits accordingly – Sustain Alpha.
Phyto Testosterone: The name says it all, this plant based substance effects our body in every way like the real anabolic monster -- Testosterone. You have probably heard of all the “Phyto-Estrogens” that pollute our food and water, and have negative estrogen-like effects on our bodies, well now Phyto-Testosterone is here to sway the balance. We deliver this cutting edge product with our oral Phospholipid Delivery Matrix, which increases bioavailability and gets more Phyto-Test into your system.
Toco-8: This is a Tocotrienol complex extracted from palm fruits. It will be a powder that can be mixed into your favorite drink or shake. Recently, it has been granted a US patent for stopping hair loss and promoting hair regrowth. It also has powerful effects in lower bad cholesterol, and increasing Testosterone production by increasing testicular sensitivity to L/H and F/S/H.
Primordial Essentials Product Line: Throughout 2008 we will be introducing our new Primordial Essentials Product Line. These will be economically priced essential products that are designed to be taken long term for enhanced health and fitness. The first, Toco-8, will be launched in early 2008, additional products will be regularly added to this section.
New Pricing Structure: Through Referring members, making purchases, and gaining recognition on our Forum you will earn Primordial Rankings. With each tier you will get better discounts. On top of this, when you make referrals you will earn product credit to be used on our site.
Come check out the new products and new website upgrades in the beginning of 08!
- 12-28-2007, 01:33 AM
Haven't tried any of your products yet, but I am very fond of transdermal delivery in general, so the expanding product line is looking good.
- 12-28-2007, 01:34 AM
sweeeeeeeet gotta try em all
12-28-2007, 01:37 AM
12-28-2007, 01:52 AM
- 6'0" 190 lbs.
- Join Date
- Oct 2004
Toco-8? I'm in. Need testers? Pleasepleasepleaseplease?
12-28-2007, 01:54 AM
Innovative Genius... I am truly inspired and have a great deal of respect for the hard work that this man puts into each and every one of his products.
12-28-2007, 05:58 AM
Simply awesome Eric.
Primordial's new products products are stylish and inovative as always.
Even though I have a whole stack of sustain, I figure I'll be putting another order in very soon, assuming all the ingredients are ok for AU import.
12-28-2007, 08:18 AM
As a current user of Dermacrine, I'm very excited to see this lineup. I'm absolutely sure you will elaborate on the products when it's time... definitly going to be checking in daily to hear about ALL of them! It almost seems like they would be an amazing stack, each complementing a different field
12-28-2007, 08:45 AM
Definitely hoping the alpha is available in about 3 weeks when I need to order some for PCT. The Phyto Testosterone sounds interesting too.
Any thought as to a transdermal GH enhancer? Universal kits had one, but they are now defunct and I know a number of their customers are interested in a replacement product.
12-28-2007, 08:56 AM
12-28-2007, 09:19 AM
Innovative! Worth keeping an eye on. Preferably both eyes!
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12-28-2007, 12:09 PM
The action of Testofen (despite what most think) is that is acts directly on the AR receptor, and as far as we can tell is every bit as potent as testosterone for inducing muscle growth. The study done by Gencor on mice showed that it made the levitor ani and sexual organs grow just as much as the testosterone group, and considerably more than the control group. (all groups were castrated)
The Methoxyisoflavone is not directly acting on the AR, but we believe there is some receptor ligand cross talk. For instance, if high estrogen levels are present this flavone will potentate the effects, but if no estrogen is present that the flavone has no estrogenic activity… this same action can explain its anabolic effects.
12-28-2007, 12:10 PM
about sustain alpha:
does it need to be cycled like dermacrine, and can it be taken as part of a post cycle therapy like derm. sustain?
assuming it is applied like the others, it doesnt seem like there is any control on how much of the aromatic oils you breath in...is it just a fraction of the same stuff being absorbed transdermally?
edit: can this phyto test be stacked with pancakes?
12-28-2007, 12:21 PM
The Sustain Alpha is the replacement for the Derma Sustain, so yes it can be used long-term and does not need to be cycled. (Although it may be a good idea if you want to 'save' it for times you need it most)
The aromatic oils are new to the formula. The dose is controlled proportionate to the pump dose you use. They evaporate fairly quickly and absorb into the skin quickly so within 10 mins after application you should no longer smell the oils.
12-28-2007, 12:31 PM
How would these new formulas work for those of us on TRT (test cream + hcg)?
12-28-2007, 01:09 PM
I think Toco-8 would be a great addition to HRT if hairloss or heart disease is a concern for you.
Phyto-Test could be implemented with T-therapy too. Perhaps done in 6-8 week cycles.
12-28-2007, 01:14 PM
I don't mean to pry, but is there any vague idea when in the year these products will be released? Just for planning purposes... thanks bud
12-28-2007, 02:22 PM
i am using sustain now, all i can say it's one of the best product i used..now even have a improved version. def will buy it again and also wanna try Phyto Testosterone.
Eric:I will use sustain alpha for my TBOL post cycle therapy next month
can i add Phyto Testosterone in the post cycle therapy as well? is that a test booster or it's suppressive?
12-28-2007, 04:25 PM
12-28-2007, 04:33 PM
We don’t believe the Phyto-T will be suppressive but we need to test this to be sure. For now I would assume it has neither a positive or negative effect on natural T levels.
12-28-2007, 07:57 PM
ILL BE A TESTER ILL BE A TESTER! ME ME ME!!! lol
In all seriousness though, this lineup sounds great... I will absolutely be looking forward to placing my order when it arrives at NP. On my first Dermacrine cycle, and am very pleased with the results thus far. A true "athletes" cycle, IMO (not overly suppresive, estrogen "friendly" for overall well-being/joints, and very important to many- very little sides if at all. I have noticed not one, and I've cycled twice before so I know what to look for and "feel" for. As to the results - as a runner/crossfitter/thai boxer, I have undoubtedly noticed an increase in endurance and overall power. It's been fun and I got two more weeks to go - still excited.
The Dermacrine 8-week stack with Phyto-test and the new Alpha in for PCT sounds solid. Without a doubt a fun stack for the Spring.
12-28-2007, 08:30 PM
Wow! Impressive lineup! I am interested in 2 of your products, especially the cholesterol one. Since real red yeast is unfindable...
12-28-2007, 09:36 PM
I must say i love derma sustain. Very nice product, brought my boys back quicker then ATD, or 6-bromo ever could and i feel great. Ill definately be trying this new derma sustain alpha!
12-29-2007, 09:03 AM
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12-29-2007, 10:30 AM
Have you done any testing on yourself or trained athletes that support this claim, "8-12 lbs"?
Thank you and nice job!
12-29-2007, 12:18 PM
Wow. I love it when supplement companies do different things rather than just trying to reinvent the wheel. Great line up guys.
12-29-2007, 01:13 PM
I was trying to quantify the gains with something most guys could compare to. The mice studies showed Testofen to be just as potent as Testosterone for its anabolic and androgenic effects (relative to 500mg/week in a human). The human study also produced very impressive results in reducing BF and increasing lean mass. (see attached) Plus, high doses of methoxyisoflavone have produced solid 5-10 lb gains for many individuals who have tried it so I see no reason why the combo couldn’t surpass this.
12-29-2007, 02:15 PM
What would it take to get an bottle of phyto-testosterone this week ?
12-29-2007, 02:50 PM
exciting stuff, I'll be starting my bottle of sustain next week and look forward to trying these out afterwards.
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- 6'0" 190 lbs.
- Join Date
- Oct 2004
Yes, transdermal gh! In fact, just knock off UK's product (with their permission, of course!).
12-30-2007, 01:10 AM
iForce INTIMIDATE Log/Review
12-30-2007, 02:57 AM
All the proof is right here in the US patent -
Its a simple complex of tocotrienols & tocopherols. I would guess the mechanism is quite different than 5alpha-reductase inhibition... probably something to do with the complex's antioxidant abilities.
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