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    Exclamation New Products from Primordial Performance!


    Hello AM members,

    I wanted to give you guys a quick sneak peak for what we have planned for the 1st of the year…

    Dermacrine Sustain, now Sustain Alpha: New ingredients working in synergy to make the existing formula more effective. This new Sustain Alpha uses aromatic oils to elicit a massive surge of L/H from the pituitary to stimulate testosterone production from the testes. These oils actually dissolve and enter your brain when you smell them, triggering this boost of testosterone. Primordial Performance also took things one step further by making another addition with the ingredient Diallyl Disulfide. This unique little molecule further catalyzes the L/H pulse and testosterone increase. The combo is nothing short of remarkable, and the name for the new revised product fits accordingly – Sustain Alpha.


    Phyto Testosterone: The name says it all, this plant based substance effects our body in every way like the real anabolic monster -- Testosterone. You have probably heard of all the “Phyto-Estrogens” that pollute our food and water, and have negative estrogen-like effects on our bodies, well now Phyto-Testosterone is here to sway the balance. We deliver this cutting edge product with our oral Phospholipid Delivery Matrix, which increases bioavailability and gets more Phyto-Test into your system.



    Toco-8: This is a Tocotrienol complex extracted from palm fruits. It will be a powder that can be mixed into your favorite drink or shake. Recently, it has been granted a US patent for stopping hair loss and promoting hair regrowth. It also has powerful effects in lower bad cholesterol, and increasing Testosterone production by increasing testicular sensitivity to L/H and F/S/H.



    Primordial Essentials Product Line: Throughout 2008 we will be introducing our new Primordial Essentials Product Line. These will be economically priced essential products that are designed to be taken long term for enhanced health and fitness. The first, Toco-8, will be launched in early 2008, additional products will be regularly added to this section.

    New Pricing Structure: Through Referring members, making purchases, and gaining recognition on our Forum you will earn Primordial Rankings. With each tier you will get better discounts. On top of this, when you make referrals you will earn product credit to be used on our site.

    Come check out the new products and new website upgrades in the beginning of 08!

    Stay tuned…

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    Haven't tried any of your products yet, but I am very fond of transdermal delivery in general, so the expanding product line is looking good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Phyto Testosterone: The name says it all, this plant based substance effects our body in every way like the real anabolic monster -- Testosterone. You have probably heard of all the “Phyto-Estrogens” that pollute our food and water, and have negative estrogen-like effects on our bodies, well now Phyto-Testosterone is here to sway the balance. We deliver this cutting edge product with our oral Phospholipid Delivery Matrix, which increases bioavailability and gets more Phyto-Test into your system.
    I must say that you have some really nice looking packaging for your products. I really dig the silver bottles.

    So what's the deal with this "phyto testosterone"? Are we talking a naturally occuring androgen, or something along the lines of ecdysterone?
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    Toco-8? I'm in. Need testers? Pleasepleasepleaseplease?
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    Simply awesome Eric.

    Primordial's new products products are stylish and inovative as always.

    Even though I have a whole stack of sustain, I figure I'll be putting another order in very soon, assuming all the ingredients are ok for AU import.
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    As a current user of Dermacrine, I'm very excited to see this lineup. I'm absolutely sure you will elaborate on the products when it's time... definitly going to be checking in daily to hear about ALL of them! It almost seems like they would be an amazing stack, each complementing a different field
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    Definitely hoping the alpha is available in about 3 weeks when I need to order some for PCT. The Phyto Testosterone sounds interesting too.

    Any thought as to a transdermal GH enhancer? Universal kits had one, but they are now defunct and I know a number of their customers are interested in a replacement product.
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    solid lineup boys
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    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    I must say that you have some really nice looking packaging for your products. I really dig the silver bottles.

    So what's the deal with this "phyto testosterone"? Are we talking a naturally occuring androgen, or something along the lines of ecdysterone?
    It will be something along the lines of Testofen and methoxyisoflavone delivered in a very cool serum like formula that tastes oddly close to maple syrup. (without any flavoring added)

    The action of Testofen (despite what most think) is that is acts directly on the AR receptor, and as far as we can tell is every bit as potent as testosterone for inducing muscle growth. The study done by Gencor on mice showed that it made the levitor ani and sexual organs grow just as much as the testosterone group, and considerably more than the control group. (all groups were castrated)

    The Methoxyisoflavone is not directly acting on the AR, but we believe there is some receptor ligand cross talk. For instance, if high estrogen levels are present this flavone will potentate the effects, but if no estrogen is present that the flavone has no estrogenic activity… this same action can explain its anabolic effects.

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    about sustain alpha:
    does it need to be cycled like dermacrine, and can it be taken as part of a post cycle therapy like derm. sustain?

    assuming it is applied like the others, it doesnt seem like there is any control on how much of the aromatic oils you breath in...is it just a fraction of the same stuff being absorbed transdermally?

    edit: can this phyto test be stacked with pancakes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by krogtaar View Post
    about sustain alpha:
    does it need to be cycled like dermacrine, and can it be taken as part of a post cycle therapy like derm. sustain?

    assuming it is applied like the others, it doesnt seem like there is any control on how much of the aromatic oils you breath in...is it just a fraction of the same stuff being absorbed transdermally?

    edit: can this phyto test be stacked with pancakes?


    The Sustain Alpha is the replacement for the Derma Sustain, so yes it can be used long-term and does not need to be cycled. (Although it may be a good idea if you want to 'save' it for times you need it most)

    The aromatic oils are new to the formula. The dose is controlled proportionate to the pump dose you use. They evaporate fairly quickly and absorb into the skin quickly so within 10 mins after application you should no longer smell the oils.

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    How would these new formulas work for those of us on TRT (test cream + hcg)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff k View Post
    How would these new formulas work for those of us on TRT (test cream + hcg)?
    I’ve heard from other TRT men that Sustain still has a very positive impact on well-being and libido... although it’s probably not from an increase in natural T production. (since they are shut down from T therapy)

    I think Toco-8 would be a great addition to HRT if hairloss or heart disease is a concern for you.

    Phyto-Test could be implemented with T-therapy too. Perhaps done in 6-8 week cycles.

    -Pp
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    I don't mean to pry, but is there any vague idea when in the year these products will be released? Just for planning purposes... thanks bud
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    i am using sustain now, all i can say it's one of the best product i used..now even have a improved version. def will buy it again and also wanna try Phyto Testosterone.

    Eric:I will use sustain alpha for my TBOL post cycle therapy next month
    can i add Phyto Testosterone in the post cycle therapy as well? is that a test booster or it's suppressive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlanda01602 View Post
    I don't mean to pry, but is there any vague idea when in the year these products will be released? Just for planning purposes... thanks bud
    The Sustain Alpha is ready now, and if you order Derma Sustain then you will be shipped the new Sustain Alpha. We are just waiting for the website to be updated now with all the info on the new products... which should be ready sometime next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcyt View Post
    i am using sustain now, all i can say it's one of the best product i used..now even have a improved version. def will buy it again and also wanna try Phyto Testosterone.

    Eric:I will use sustain alpha for my TBOL post cycle therapy next month
    can i add Phyto Testosterone in the post cycle therapy as well? is that a test booster or it's suppressive?
    The Phyto test will stack very well with Pro-hormones or a natural T booster and it will compliment either direction you choose. It won’t have much effect on total T, but it will increase your free T levels (by offsetting T from SHBG) It also appears to work directly on the androgen receptor for its muscle building effects, which should be comparable to about 400-500mg/week Testosterone, which would be about 8-12 lbs of lean mass in 4-6 weeks for most guys.

    We don’t believe the Phyto-T will be suppressive but we need to test this to be sure. For now I would assume it has neither a positive or negative effect on natural T levels.

    -Pp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    The Phyto test will stack very well with Pro-hormones or a natural T booster and it will compliment either direction you choose. It won’t have much effect on total T, but it will increase your free T levels (by offsetting T from SHBG) It also appears to work directly on the androgen receptor for its muscle building effects, which should be comparable to about 400-500mg/week Testosterone, which would be about 8-12 lbs of lean mass in 4-6 weeks for most guys.

    We don’t believe the Phyto-T will be suppressive but we need to test this to be sure. For now I would assume it has neither a positive or negative effect on natural T levels.

    -Pp

    ILL BE A TESTER ILL BE A TESTER! ME ME ME!!! lol

    In all seriousness though, this lineup sounds great... I will absolutely be looking forward to placing my order when it arrives at NP. On my first Dermacrine cycle, and am very pleased with the results thus far. A true "athletes" cycle, IMO (not overly suppresive, estrogen "friendly" for overall well-being/joints, and very important to many- very little sides if at all. I have noticed not one, and I've cycled twice before so I know what to look for and "feel" for. As to the results - as a runner/crossfitter/thai boxer, I have undoubtedly noticed an increase in endurance and overall power. It's been fun and I got two more weeks to go - still excited.

    The Dermacrine 8-week stack with Phyto-test and the new Alpha in for PCT sounds solid. Without a doubt a fun stack for the Spring.
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    Wow! Impressive lineup! I am interested in 2 of your products, especially the cholesterol one. Since real red yeast is unfindable...
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    I must say i love derma sustain. Very nice product, brought my boys back quicker then ATD, or 6-bromo ever could and i feel great. Ill definately be trying this new derma sustain alpha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    The Phyto test will stack very well with Pro-hormones or a natural T booster and it will compliment either direction you choose. It won’t have much effect on total T, but it will increase your free T levels (by offsetting T from SHBG) It also appears to work directly on the androgen receptor for its muscle building effects, which should be comparable to about 400-500mg/week Testosterone, which would be about 8-12 lbs of lean mass in 4-6 weeks for most guys.

    We don’t believe the Phyto-T will be suppressive but we need to test this to be sure. For now I would assume it has neither a positive or negative effect on natural T levels.

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    THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSE

    so Phyto test can be stacked on cycle or used in PCT as well?
    any idea the ETA on NP?
    thanks
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    Will any ingredient listing be posted soon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokey the bear View Post
    Innovative Genius... I am truly inspired and have a great deal of respect for the hard work that this man puts into each and every one of his products.
    X10 :bb2::bb:

    I love the creativity! Keep up the good work PP, you are inspiring!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    The Phyto test will stack very well with Pro-hormones or a natural T booster and it will compliment either direction you choose. It won’t have much effect on total T, but it will increase your free T levels (by offsetting T from SHBG) It also appears to work directly on the androgen receptor for its muscle building effects, which should be comparable to about 400-500mg/week Testosterone, which would be about 8-12 lbs of lean mass in 4-6 weeks for most guys.

    We don’t believe the Phyto-T will be suppressive but we need to test this to be sure. For now I would assume it has neither a positive or negative effect on natural T levels.

    -Pp
    You kinda had me sold up until the 400-500mg's of test/week....I mean I totally want to believe that this is true, but no way, at this point were talking gains stronger than SD at 30mgs/day.

    Have you done any testing on yourself or trained athletes that support this claim, "8-12 lbs"?

    Thank you and nice job!
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    Wow. I love it when supplement companies do different things rather than just trying to reinvent the wheel. Great line up guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcyt View Post
    THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSE

    so Phyto test can be stacked on cycle or used in post cycle therapy as well?
    any idea the ETA on NP?
    thanks
    Yes, but we aren’t really marketing it as a "PCT" supplement since we haven’t confirmed that it actually will help your natural T levels come back... although it would likely help preserve the gains by other mechanisms.

    Json,

    I was trying to quantify the gains with something most guys could compare to. The mice studies showed Testofen to be just as potent as Testosterone for its anabolic and androgenic effects (relative to 500mg/week in a human). The human study also produced very impressive results in reducing BF and increasing lean mass. (see attached) Plus, high doses of methoxyisoflavone have produced solid 5-10 lb gains for many individuals who have tried it so I see no reason why the combo couldn’t surpass this.

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    exciting stuff, I'll be starting my bottle of sustain next week and look forward to trying these out afterwards.
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    thanks Eric


    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Yes, but we aren’t really marketing it as a "post cycle therapy" supplement since we haven’t confirmed that it actually will help your natural T levels come back... although it would likely help preserve the gains by other mechanisms.

    -Pp
    thanks, Eric.
    any idea about the ETA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcyt View Post
    thanks, Eric.
    any idea about the ETA?
    It should be ready by the 4th and we will be the exclusive provider for the time being.

    Sustain Alpha is ready now, and is shipping for all Derma Sustain orders. We are just waiting on the website to get upgraded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Definitely hoping the alpha is available in about 3 weeks when I need to order some for post cycle therapy. The Phyto Testosterone sounds interesting too.

    Any thought as to a transdermal GH enhancer? Universal kits had one, but they are now defunct and I know a number of their customers are interested in a replacement product.
    I for one would be very interested in this type of product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    It should be ready by the 4th and we will be the exclusive provider for the time being.

    Sustain Alpha is ready now, and is shipping for all Derma Sustain orders. We are just waiting on the website to get upgraded.

    -Pp
    Do be sure to let us know the minute Phyto-Test can ship from your site! Price willing, I'm definitly interested in a Sustain Alpha + Phyto-Test stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlanda01602 View Post
    Do be sure to let us know the minute Phyto-Test can ship from your site! Price willing, I'm definitly interested in a Sustain Alpha + Phyto-Test stack.
    The Phyto-Test will be the most expensive product weve ever produced, but we are keeping the mark-up minimal to keep it affordable.

    The Toco-8 will only be $29 for a two months supply, and the Sustain alpha is staying the same price as the original Sustain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post

    The Toco-8 will only be $29 for a two months supply, and the Sustain alpha is staying the same price as the original Sustain.

    -Pp
    I'll definitely be giving this a try. How exactly does it work (ingredients would be nice )? Since it was approved by the FDA, I'm guessing you have literature to back your claims? Is the mechanism similar to any of the current antiandrogens on the market? Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncangey0513 View Post
    I'll definitely be giving this a try. How exactly does it work (ingredients would be nice )? Since it was approved by the FDA, I'm guessing you have literature to back your claims? Is the mechanism similar to any of the current antiandrogens on the market? Thanks!

    All the proof is right here in the US patent -

    http://www.google.com/patents?id=AtF...BAJ&dq=7211274

    Its a simple complex of tocotrienols & tocopherols. I would guess the mechanism is quite different than 5alpha-reductase inhibition... probably something to do with the complex's antioxidant abilities.

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