venom hyperdrive or T3

[msucurt]

Ok, i know this may sound odd. But im close to ordering the following stack, and was wanting to add a fatburner in there. Im 5'11...185...33yrs old....training for a solid 7 years.....diet is very in check.....

IGF-2
DRIVE
NAPALM
CLA

should i go with

venom hyperdrive
man scorch
T3 (i would only use 30-50mcg's on a 2on 2off or 7on 7off dosing)(I have a full bottle of this from IBE)

thanks guys.

 

[mooch2321]

Ive used the venom hyperdrive and had great results as for as fat loss goes, has app supressant(hoodia) so u dont binge eat, and tons of all day energy. the only downside was it supressed my libido quite a bit, so no long weekends with the wife!

 

[heebs10]

Ok, i know this may sound odd. But im close to ordering the following stack, and was wanting to add a fatburner in there. Im 5'11...185...33yrs old....training for a solid 7 years.....diet is very in check.....

IGF-2
DRIVE
NAPALM
CLA

should i go with

venom hyperdrive
man scorch
T3 (i would only use 30-50mcg's on a 2on 2off or 7on 7off dosing)(I have a full bottle of this from IBE)

thanks guys.

under those conditions i dont think the T3 will really do much. i think its better to just stay on it for about a month, i think its better to slowly ramp up and down instead of just stoping and starting. i dont have any experiance with venom though.

 

[billm311]

under those conditions i dont think the T3 will really do much. i think its better to just stay on it for about a month, i think its better to slowly ramp up and down instead of just stoping and starting. i dont have any experiance with venom though.

I agree, if you are going to do the T3, you gotta commit to it. I found it better to stick to lower doses, as anything above 50mcg really started to take a toll on me, draining energy and making me more tired. Sweet spot right around 30-40mcgs, but should do it everyday. Its not like clen where you desensitize receptors. Daily dosing is best - otherwise, go with the venom. Its a good tool for what you are tryin to do, and will not have to worry about messing with body's natural endocrine system. You also wont have to worry as much about muscle wasting.

good luck bro!

 

[msucurt]

I agree, if you are going to do the T3, you gotta commit to it. I found it better to stick to lower doses, as anything above 50mcg really started to take a toll on me, draining energy and making me more tired. Sweet spot right around 30-40mcgs, but should do it everyday. Its not like clen where you desensitize receptors. Daily dosing is best - otherwise, go with the venom. Its a good tool for what you are tryin to do, and will not have to worry about messing with body's natural endocrine system. You also wont have to worry as much about muscle wasting.

good luck bro!

thanks bill....that is exactly what i was looking for. I think i may try the T3 @ 30-40mcg a day.

How long should one stay on the T3....and should i ramp down close to being through with the bottle...

thanks

 

[billm311]

thanks bill....that is exactly what i was looking for. I think i may try the T3 @ 30-40mcg a day.

How long should one stay on the T3....and should i ramp down close to being through with the bottle...

thanks

I was using it for a good 6+ weeks, but was playing around with dosage to really locate where I should be so next time I can do it right from start to finish.

I would plan 4 weeks, then see how you feel from there. Also, pay attention to where you are with the napalm and venom - the T3 will help burn the fat mobilized by the napalm, and the venom can be very useful in preventing rebound after T3 is stopped [just my opinion, but may want to delay the start of venom so it lasts til after the T3 stops, unless you are gonna run thyroid "recovery" supps. this issue is debated, so may want to read and decide for yourself.]

If staying in the low doses, ramping down is not too important, but might help with any kind of crash. I did a short ramp from forty to 35, 30, 25, off. When I was done, I used NOW's thyroid support, and actually felt like my thyroid was producing 25+mcgs naturally very quickly. Along with lipotrophin pm by Applied Nutri. ( the bacopa is said to help boost thyroid, and the sleep was great!)

 

[msucurt]

I was using it for a good 6+ weeks, but was playing around with dosage to really locate where I should be so next time I can do it right from start to finish.

I would plan 4 weeks, then see how you feel from there. Also, pay attention to where you are with the napalm and venom - the T3 will help burn the fat mobilized by the napalm, and the venom can be very useful in preventing rebound after T3 is stopped [just my opinion, but may want to delay the start of venom so it lasts til after the T3 stops, unless you are gonna run thyroid "recovery" supps. this issue is debated, so may want to read and decide for yourself.]

If staying in the low doses, ramping down is not too important, but might help with any kind of crash. I did a short ramp from forty to 35, 30, 25, off. When I was done, I used NOW's thyroid support, and actually felt like my thyroid was producing 25+mcgs naturally very quickly. Along with lipotrophin pm by Applied Nutri. ( the bacopa is said to help boost thyroid, and the sleep was great!)

goodness gracious! THANKS AGAIN. Well, i have ordered and im going to do the following. I decided to just wait on the venom hyperdrive (unless u think i should definitely do it post T3)....

IGF-2
DRIVE
NAPALM
CLA
T3 (@ 30-40mcg's for 4weeks) (afterwards, im going to do what u suggest and run NOW'S thyroid support)

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At 30-40mcg's , do you believe this low dosage will have a bigtime negative effect on my thyroid. Im gonna do some more reading, but i just dont think it will at that low of a dose. But i still will want to get some NOW'S thyroid support, and maybe even try VENOM HYPERDRIVE)

any other suggestions to my stack would be greatly appreciated. Would love some input.

Thanks again.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[billm311]

goodness gracious! THANKS AGAIN. Well, i have ordered and im going to do the following. I decided to just wait on the venom hyperdrive (unless u think i should definitely do it post T3)....

IGF-2
DRIVE
NAPALM
CLA
T3 (@ 30-40mcg's for 4weeks) (afterwards, im going to do what u suggest and run NOW'S thyroid support)

***********************************************

At 30-40mcg's , do you believe this low dosage will have a bigtime negative effect on my thyroid. Im gonna do some more reading, but i just dont think it will at that low of a dose. But i still will want to get some NOW'S thyroid support, and maybe even try VENOM HYPERDRIVE)

any other suggestions to my stack would be greatly appreciated. Would love some input.

Thanks again.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

honestly, you should be good without it. I had blood tests to back me at the time - I did not have any complications getting back to normal. Like I said, I used the NOW supp and AN's lipo pm. I tested high for calcium while on it, which is a sign of hyperthyroidism (duh). If you are really concerned, you could supplement with calcium and magnesium to blunt irregular heart beats and osteoperosis, but I read a study from an endocrinology text that stated that a regulatory hormone kicks in, so the net effect is of little concern. aka, I was not worried, I never had bone problems, never broke one in my life, and no osteo problems in family.

IMHO, I think what you have laid out look very nice. Skip the venom for now. and make sure your dose timing for the T3 is solid. Most suggest first thing in the morning, avoiding food for about hr, and avoiding calcium or iron for about 2. Splitting dose will help create stable T3 levels as well.

Studies suggest that dosing at night can increase effectiveness, however, they were done with synthroid only (t4 must first metabolize into t3, so may not show same benefit with pure cytomel). If going test higher doses, splitting is a good idea, as the liquid T3 gets assimilated into the body fairly quickly. I experimented with morning and bedtime doses - may be worth it to test 30mcg in morning, 10mcg before bed?

at the low doses, dont expect huge weight losses, as the body produces about 25mcg naturally, so these doses only slightly surpass the norm. I just felt very comfortable at these dose levels, as 50 was borderline for me, and felt real ****ty when I tried to step it up. Not worth it. If you feel sluggish, or big losses in strength, cut back dosage to point where you are comfortable with the tradeoff.

glad to help in any way I can. I am no expert, but glad to share my personal experiences and research results.:thumbsup: