can you take a "cutting" supplement while bulking?
- 11-20-2007, 09:07 AM
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11-20-2007, 09:15 AM
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11-20-2007, 09:48 AM
11-20-2007, 10:13 AM
well people say it defeats the purpose if it increases your metabolic rate then you would be burning more cals and need even more to bulk. If you want to keep fat gain low on a bulk the best way would be to adjust diet. To me there is bulking, cutting, and maintenance lean bulk/slow bulk. There is no in betweens so if you want to straight bulk you need to make up your mind to do so, you waste cutting supplements and bulking supplements when you mix the two.
11-20-2007, 11:49 AM
I think the best thing to do is to take these products before fasted cardio in the morning. Just because you're on a bulk doesn't mean you can't keep your fat gain minimal with fasted cardio.
11-20-2007, 12:17 PM
from what I have read I would go with leviathan as well
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11-20-2007, 12:32 PM
11-20-2007, 12:39 PM
i agree with PP on that. It does defeat the purpose. But just an FYI, some bodybuilders take T3 (thyroid hormone) during bulks. They say it supposedly helps to keep the fat off during a bulk. I just think it slows down bulking progression.
11-20-2007, 12:52 PM
Lots of people assume so. Now I havent done any "research" on this area but it just makes sense logically if you think about it. Fat burners do not just target fat. They target your overall breakdown so when cutting people adjust their macro breakdowns for results.
Anyone get my point o.0? Im having a hard time explaining my logic.
11-20-2007, 01:01 PM
Well what about the promotion of lypolisis? The marketing (er "science") in a lot of these products would leave one to believe they specifically promote lipolysis, while encouraging muscle retention.
hence comments like "take it before fasted cardio".
11-20-2007, 05:40 PM
11-20-2007, 06:06 PM
You can use fat burners, but maybe try them at a LOWER dosage, either of DCP or Leviathan on their own, or together would help with strength and help prevent bodyfat gain on a bulk. However, you better make sure you're EATING enough to be putting on weight. Otherwise you may instead be recomping, which this stack is also great for.
11-20-2007, 06:39 PM
The issue with stimulant like fat burners to stave off fat gain during a bulk is that they can have an adverse effect of your glycogen uptake and retention, which will obviously hinder your growth potential.
If stimulants are used for pre w/o energy and limited to that purpose it is likely not a deterrent to gaining muscle mass. But used throughout the day and for a long period of trying to gain LBM it may potentiate the weight being fat(ter) weight and less LBM.
Regardless, you really can only accrue so much LBM in a period of time regardless of what you eat so it is best to be wise and or use cardio.
In my experience (take it for what it is worth) nutrient partioning supplements like sesathin, FL7 (trandermal 7-OXO), fish oil and ALA serve this better and promote overall health at the same time.
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11-20-2007, 09:18 PM
i speak from personal experience. I saw too much fat lose when i threw in full dose of leviathan. thats mainly why I have my opened bottle in the first place.
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