[Jayzen]

Do you guys think i should avoid taking these supps together due to Leviathan Reloaded's 9mg of Yohimbine and WF+GMs combined 1200mg of L-Tyrosine. I work out in the evening so ill have a 4-5 hr gap between my last leviathan dose and taking green mag / white flood.

[Cellardude]

not only that, the caffeine levels of white flood combined with leviathan might be overkill. you could dose leviathan and WF 3 hours apart though to prevent the tyro and yohim from clashing.

[matthew76]

You need to drop the White Flood for now... Green Mag/Levi Reloaded will suffice.

[thebigt]

if you need more of a stim effect dave suggested adding some caffeine pills to your reloaded. but try the reloaded on its own first to test your tollerance. btw the caffeiene pills are dirt cheap. save some dough.

[john123131]

matt love the avy bruv

[matthew76]

It's my duty to post hot booty!

[Jayzen]

Thanks a lot for the quick replies! Ill start out with Green Mag/Levi Reloaded and add in some caffeine pills if needed.

[Palo Alto Labs]

Originally Posted by Jayzen

Do you guys think i should avoid taking these supps together due to Leviathan Reloaded's 9mg of Yohimbine and WF+GMs combined 1200mg of L-Tyrosine. I work out in the evening so ill have a 4-5 hr gap between my last leviathan dose and taking green mag / white flood.

guys we have posted this multiple times but just for clearification purposes.. yohimbine hcl is a selective maoi inhibitor.. and we posted studies that show that yohimbine combined with tyrosine does not cause any issues with blood pressure.

If you wanted to do WF,GM and reloaded..personally I believe it is fine.. if you search on AM you can find the study that we posted.and if I get more time today, Ill find it and repost it here.

[MESSPLAY]

from a personal standpoint...

I take leviathan reloaded/green mag/white flood/purple wraath

and I found that 2 caps lev reloaded WITH 2 scoops white flood made me jittery and anxious during workouts.

I do 2 caps lev reloaded 60 minutes pre workout on an empty stomach and 1 scoop white flood 25 minutes preworkout instead of the recommended 2 scoop serving, and the energy is clean and focused. No bad sides either.

best of luck to ya

[bLacKjAck.]

Originally Posted by MESSPLAY

from a personal standpoint...

I take leviathan reloaded/green mag/white flood/purple wraath

and I found that 2 caps lev reloaded WITH 2 scoops white flood made me jittery and anxious during workouts.

I do 2 caps lev reloaded 60 minutes pre workout on an empty stomach and 1 scoop white flood 25 minutes preworkout instead of the recommended 2 scoop serving, and the energy is clean and focused. No bad sides either.

best of luck to ya

Good Posting ^^!

[Steveoph]

Here's the post by Palo Alto Labs regarding this issue from If you take yohimbe do not take tyramine containing foods?

Originally Posted by Palo Alto Labs

Originally Posted by Palo Alto Labs
First off I'll start out by saying yohimbine is a mild MAO inhibitor. but MAO inhibitors are a broad category, they certainly do not all work in the same way or have the same effects.

I disagree that yohimbine is not selective at all. There is a study from 1988 that disagrees with this. This study also goes on to state that when rats are given 200mg/kg of tyrosine in addition to 10mg/kg of Yohimbine that and I quote "Moreoever, the administration of 200 mg/kg of tyrosine failed to augment the increases in brain MHPG and DGPH produced by PB. Tyrosine did slightly enhance the increase in DHPG due to YOH treatment. This effect is presumable a result of YOH activating these neurones by blocking presynaptic autoreceptors and thus making the rate of NE turnover dependent on tyrosine availability(wurtman et al., 1981). How ever no such effect was observed for th YOH-induced increase in MHPG. The reason for this is unknown, but may relate to NE being preferentially converted to DHPG when metabolized intraneuronally and to mHPG when metabolized extraneuronally. Finally, the large elevation in MHPG due to YOH may be due only partly a2-adrenoceptor blockade. YOH is structurally similiar to reserpine and has been postulated to cause a reserpine-like release of stored NE. The acute biochemical effects of a single injection of reserpine caused both increases in braing MHPG and decreases in NE similar to those caused by YOH(Bareggi et al., 1979). Thus, 2 hr after a dose of 1.25 mg/kg of resperine, MHPG was increased 72% and NE was reduced 43%(bareggi et al., 1979). On the other hand since YOH did not deplete brain DA, if YOH has a reserpine like action, it must be selective for NE neurons."

here is another quote from this study's abstract "Tyrosine failed to enhance the effect of either YOH or PB except for somewhat augmenting the increase in DHPG induced by YOH"


Essentially what I am saying here is that all MAOi's dont act the same... In this study tyrosine has basically an insignificant effect on the brain when combined with yohimbine. Now if some one wants to argue the effectiveness of yohimbine that is a different argument that I think has been disputed here a thousand times. I personally like the results I have gotten from yohimbine but it is always up to the consumer to read up on a substance and gauge their bodies tolerence to it. Also i think it is important to understand that we have dosed leviathan very modertly with tyrosine. When this product was formulated we researched tyrosine and yohimbine extensively. We absolutely were interested making leviathan a safe but effective product. Here is the link to the abstract from pub med:

Differential effects of yohimbine and phenoxybenza...[Res Commun Chem Pathol Pharmacol. 1988] - PubMed Result

Oh I also agree completely with Sldgehmr on his assessment off yohimbe bark.. Never use a product that uses yohimbe bark.. it is a dirty herb(yohimbine is only 1 of the 32 active alkoloid present in yohimbe) If you use a product make sure it is a straight yohimbine HCl product.. not an yohimbe bark standerized to a % yohimbine.

Cheers