Horny Goat Weed Full Spectrum 60% Icariins - Is this really true?

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I have seen NP's 50% and CNW's 40%.
Going to purchase NP's next week or two on payday if the supply holds out.
But I came across a site in a search looking for an already capped lj100 and icariin formula and the title product came up.

For the price they are charging ... 25 bucks at 20 grams it might be legit, but I am just wondering if their extraction can be that good when not too many carry high extracts of it.

any opinions?
 
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close to a dollar a gram...yeah, sounds like the price is legit.
 

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I have seen NP's 50% and CNW's 40%.
Going to purchase NP's next week or two on payday if the supply holds out.
But I came across a site in a search looking for an already capped lj100 and icariin formula and the title product came up.

For the price they are charging ... 25 bucks at 20 grams it might be legit, but I am just wondering if their extraction can be that good when not too many carry high extracts of it.

any opinions?
Nutra should have 30 grams of 50% for the same price. Ask them if it's icarian or icarians.
 
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Nutra should have 30 grams of 50% for the same price. Ask them if it's icarian or icarians.
Actually Nutra's is 50g for 28 bucks. A way better deal.
I'm buying that but I will write the other folks and ask them about the icarians.

thanks a bunch.
 

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Actually Nutra's is 50g for 28 bucks. A way better deal.
I'm buying that but I will write the other folks and ask them about the icarians.

thanks a bunch.
Maybe a typo on the Nutra site. You may want to ask dsade.
 
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Maybe a typo on the Nutra site. You may want to ask dsade.
I think the current stock is 20%. Our 50% supplier is currently out, and we are looking at an alternate.
 
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DSade, I know you're a super busy guy and I hate to keep beating a dead horse but do you have any other plans to get a 98%?
 
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DSade, I know you're a super busy guy and I hate to keep beating a dead horse but do you have any other plans to get a 98%?
No worries...it is still planned (and becoming more and more urgent, due to another project).

So far all material samples have been rejected.
 
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I think the current stock is 20%. Our 50% supplier is currently out, and we are looking at an alternate.
must be a typo then. it sure added to my cart.
cant wait for you guys to get it back though.
I am getting a capping kit and using some of your nettle, long jax,
cissus 50% , icariin 50%, and some forskolin(elsewhere) as a test/joint stack.
got the idea from a couple of supps I've read about elsewhere.
 
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No worries...it is still planned (and becoming more and more urgent, due to another project).

So far all material samples have been rejected.
Dsade, tell me he's not talking about a 98% icariin?
Hmm I have to buy the others and freeze them till you come out with the 98%.
 
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must be a typo then. it sure added to my cart.
cant wait for you guys to get it back though.
I am getting a capping kit and using some of your nettle, long jax,
cissus 50% , icariin 50%, and some forskolin(elsewhere) as a test/joint stack.
got the idea from a couple of supps I've read about elsewhere.
that sounds like a great stack man :thumbsup:

LOL....I have their nettle root and wow.....it sticks to everything! a pain to cap.....but works great though!
 
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Well there is a mistake on the size of the bag.

I'm a witness that you did not make a mistake if the jury comes calling:}
Hey...a dime is a dime is a dime.
 

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One of the new Diesel Test products contains Icariins 60%.
 
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I bought 20% from another site because the 50% was out... really not noticing much so looks like I might need to go spend more money at NP
 

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I bought 20% from another site because the 50% was out... really not noticing much so looks like I might need to go spend more money at NP
20% is probably icarians not icarian. I would take 5 grams a day of the 20% if it's icarians.
 
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20% is probably icarians not icarian. I would take 5 grams a day of the 20% if it's icarians.
thats way to much, if you have to take 5g you got some BS HGW.

Good 20% you shouldnt need over 1500 to 2000mg a day.

Have you ever took 5g of 20% HGW/day?
 
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I bought 20% from another site because the 50% was out... really not noticing much so looks like I might need to go spend more money at NP
1st what are you using HGW for? If you want to use it for libido at 20% you shouldnt need over 2g/day, if its for nitric oxide or in an energy mix maybe 3g at the most. I would use it as a blend versus just mega dosing HGW.
 

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thats way to much, if you have to take 5g you got some BS HGW.

Good 20% you shouldnt need over 1500 to 2000mg a day.

Have you ever took 5g of 20% HGW/day?
No, but I have taken a 1.5 grams of 50% icarian. 60% Icarians is about 75% cheaper in cost from china.
 
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No, but I have taken a 1.5 grams of 50% icarian. 60% Icarians is about 75% cheaper in cost from china.
If thats the case you are saying 50% Icarrin cost over $1,000kg?

There are may different extracts of Icarrins, you can get 60% total Icarrins and 30-55% of that Icariin, it depends on what you want to pay for.

You must be talking about some UV verrified 60% total Icariins, not standardized or tested for Icariin or all the other Icariins by HPLC

1.5g of 50% doesnt always mean take 5g of 20%....that doesnt even out. Anyway I know what I know about HGW exctracts. No one needs 5g of 20%.

the 60% we use is potent, in bulk I dont see anyone needing over 1g a day.
 

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If thats the case you are saying 50% Icarrin cost over $1,000kg?

There are may different extracts of Icarrins, you can get 60% total Icarrins and 30-55% of that Icariin, it depends on what you want to pay for.

You must be talking about some UV verrified 60% total Icariins, not standardized or tested for Icariin or all the other Icariins by HPLC

1.5g of 50% doesnt always mean take 5g of 20%....that doesnt even out. Anyway I know what I know about HGW exctracts. No one needs 5g of 20%.

the 60% we use is potent, in bulk I dont see anyone needing over 1g a day.

That is cool chuck. I talk directly to the scientist that specializes in icarian. You know what you know and I know what I know:thumbsup:

With 20% icarians, the end result is 10% icarian. So a 50% icarian extract at 1 gram will need 5 grams of 20% icarians to achieve 1 gram dose of single Icarian.

I can purcahse a 60% icarians at $50 or a 50% icarian at 250 per kg. Actually it's 400% more expensive, my bad.


With all that said chuck, the 60% might just be as good. I was not knocking just inserting my opinion.

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That is cool chuck. I talk directly to the scientist that specializes in icarian. You know what you know and I know what I know:thumbsup:

With 20% icarians, the end result is 10% icarian. So a 50% icarian extract at 1 gram will need 5 grams of 20% icarians to achieve 1 gram dose of single Icarian.

I can purcahse a 60% icarians at $50 or a 50% icarian at 250 per kg. Actually it's 400% more expensive, my bad.


With all that said chuck, the 60% might just be as good. I was not knocking just inserting my opinion.

take care

Most 20% Icariins extracts are 10% Icariins.....ok...


But you must be able to purchase some UV-VIS tested (or not even tested at all) HGW for $50/kg 60% total icariins. You must be getting a quote for 60% icariins (none HPLC tested and not stand. for total Icariins and Icariin). You cant just call up to China and order whatever....the 60% we use is closer to $300/kg....but whatever Im happy with my products efficacy.
 

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Most 20% Icariins extracts are 10% Icariins.....ok...


But you must be able to purchase some UV-VIS tested (or not even tested at all) HGW for $50/kg 60% total icariins. You must be getting a quote for 60% icariins (none HPLC tested and not stand. for total Icariins and Icariin). You cant just call up to China and order whatever....the 60% we use is closer to $300/kg....but whatever Im happy with my products efficacy.
I hear great feedback on your products.
 
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USP, Could you provide lab tests for the supply you sent to NP??
 

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USP, Could you provide lab tests for the supply you sent to NP??
It has not been independently tested but the manufacture does have hand one out, but it comes down to trusting the supplier.
 
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Could someone clarify this for me? So... icariins is a more general term constituting chemicals in that class? And icariin is a specific chemical of type icariins?
 
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Could someone clarify this for me? So... icariins is a more general term constituting chemicals in that class? And icariin is a specific chemical of type icariins?
right like ephedrine group alkaloids and ephedrine, like yohimbine alkaloids and yohimbine base. Well something like that but more like total ginsenosides in ginseng and then one specific gensinoside.
 

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Could someone clarify this for me? So... icariins is a more general term constituting chemicals in that class? And icariin is a specific chemical of type icariins?
This is an explanation for a scientist in China that deals with icarian. I am by no means an expert but she is.

Hello, recently we received many business partners feedback. In
international market, there are different Epimedium extracts. My
business partners are confused by their quality and price. Now, we
will introduce them clearely below.


Both of them declared they are Epimedium extract. However, there are
different in their COAs. One showed assay Icariin(HPLC), Another
showed Icariins(HPLC). The difference between them is "S" behaind
icariin. It really is a little difference. Someone will ignore it.
However, it caused big difference in quality and price.


Epimedium extract has a long history in chines traddtional medicine.
Chinese medicine experts researched it for many years and established
strictly quality standard. It was documented in chinese pharmacopoeia.
We will attached in our forum files. Members can download it freely.
This analysis method is stable and is used by chinese SFDA. It also is
a purchase standard accpeted by chinese epimeidum extract fomula GMP
factory.


Then, when Icariins came forth? When epimedium extract just entered
USA market, No one knew who set up a analysis method to identified
icariin. Maybe a researcher in a USA lab or a teacher in a university.
However, their method isn't precise. it can't separate icariin from
its impurity. Later, they found it is a mistake. Finally, they named
their result is Icariins, sometime they said it double icariin and
named correct single icariin.


Then, we will asked them, since you decleared "double", could you
showed us, what is their chmecal structure and CAS No.? What is their
molecular weight? what is your reference standards? One or two? As we
know, they only use Icariin as HPLC standard reference, then, how to
get the concentration result of double?


We did lots of works about epimedium extract. We compared two kinds of
analysis method. We found, Analysis method of Icariins can't separate
icariin. The peak of icariins were composed by 2-3 chemical substance.
One is icariin, another can't be identified.


Then, conclusion is clearly, Icariins analysis result is higher than
Icariin. The cost of Icariins is lower than Icariin. Lower price
abstract attension of market. However, please be careful in
specification

HPLC Method Testing Icariin

1. Instrument
Agilent-1100 Series (HPLC)
2. HLPC mobile phase
A: Acetonitrile-HPLC grade (filtered by 0.45 mfilm)
B: 0.1 phorphoric acid-HPLC grade (filtered by 0.45 m film)
3. Standard
Icariin ( purchase by NICPBP )
4. Preparation of sample solution
4.1 Weight 5mg extract exactly into10ml dissolution flask.
4.2 Add 20ml HPLC grade methanol and ultrasonic bath until sample has
dissolved, cool to room temperature, then diluting to volume with HPLC
grade methanol.
4.3 Filtering sample through a 0.45 m membrane filter.
5. Preparation of standard solution
Weight Icariin to make the standard solution with the concentration of
0.1mg/ml (Cs).
6. HPLC chromatogram condition
Column: Hypersil C18, 4.0mm I.D×250mm, 5 m
Mobile phase : A/B=25/ 75(v/v)
Flow rate :0.8ml/min
Column temperature:RT
Inject volume: 10 l
Detect Wavelength: UV 270nm
7. Calculation
Icariin % = Ai×Cs×10 ×100%
As×M
Ai: Peak area of extract sample
As: Peak area of Icariin standard
Cs: Concentration of Icariin standard (mg/ml)
M: Weight of extract sample (mg)
 
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This is an explanation for a scientist in China that deals with icarian. I am by no means an expert but she is.

Hello, recently we received many business partners feedback. In
international market, there are different Epimedium extracts. My
business partners are confused by their quality and price. Now, we
will introduce them clearely below.


Both of them declared they are Epimedium extract. However, there are
different in their COAs. One showed assay Icariin(HPLC), Another
showed Icariins(HPLC). The difference between them is "S" behaind
icariin. It really is a little difference. Someone will ignore it.
However, it caused big difference in quality and price.


Epimedium extract has a long history in chines traddtional medicine.
Chinese medicine experts researched it for many years and established
strictly quality standard. It was documented in chinese pharmacopoeia.
We will attached in our forum files. Members can download it freely.
This analysis method is stable and is used by chinese SFDA. It also is
a purchase standard accpeted by chinese epimeidum extract fomula GMP
factory.


Then, when Icariins came forth? When epimedium extract just entered
USA market, No one knew who set up a analysis method to identified
icariin. Maybe a researcher in a USA lab or a teacher in a university.
However, their method isn't precise. it can't separate icariin from
its impurity. Later, they found it is a mistake. Finally, they named
their result is Icariins, sometime they said it double icariin and
named correct single icariin.


Then, we will asked them, since you decleared "double", could you
showed us, what is their chmecal structure and CAS No.? What is their
molecular weight? what is your reference standards? One or two? As we
know, they only use Icariin as HPLC standard reference, then, how to
get the concentration result of double?


We did lots of works about epimedium extract. We compared two kinds of
analysis method. We found, Analysis method of Icariins can't separate
icariin. The peak of icariins were composed by 2-3 chemical substance.
One is icariin, another can't be identified.


Then, conclusion is clearly, Icariins analysis result is higher than
Icariin. The cost of Icariins is lower than Icariin. Lower price
abstract attension of market. However, please be careful in
specification

HPLC Method Testing Icariin

1. Instrument
Agilent-1100 Series (HPLC)
2. HLPC mobile phase
A: Acetonitrile-HPLC grade (filtered by 0.45 mfilm)
B: 0.1 phorphoric acid-HPLC grade (filtered by 0.45 m film)
3. Standard
Icariin ( purchase by NICPBP )
4. Preparation of sample solution
4.1 Weight 5mg extract exactly into10ml dissolution flask.
4.2 Add 20ml HPLC grade methanol and ultrasonic bath until sample has
dissolved, cool to room temperature, then diluting to volume with HPLC
grade methanol.
4.3 Filtering sample through a 0.45 m membrane filter.
5. Preparation of standard solution
Weight Icariin to make the standard solution with the concentration of
0.1mg/ml (Cs).
6. HPLC chromatogram condition
Column: Hypersil C18, 4.0mm I.D×250mm, 5 m
Mobile phase : A/B=25/ 75(v/v)
Flow rate :0.8ml/min
Column temperature:RT
Inject volume: 10 l
Detect Wavelength: UV 270nm
7. Calculation
Icariin % = Ai×Cs×10 ×100%
As×M
Ai: Peak area of extract sample
As: Peak area of Icariin standard
Cs: Concentration of Icariin standard (mg/ml)
M: Weight of extract sample (mg)
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No worries...it is still planned (and becoming more and more urgent, due to another project).

So far all material samples have been rejected.
Thanks for the reply and WOWEEEEE on the new project!!! Care to drop any hints?
 
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My gosh.......... clarification to all reading and potentially confused:
Icariin and Icariins are 2 different things when it comes to a product label.

In essence, Jacob is pretty darn correct w/ everything he has said above.
 
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Hulk want Dsade's 98% Icariin.
Hulk say it make gamma ray effect even stronger and make Hulk most powerfull in world.
 
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Hulk want Dsade's 98% Icariin.
Hulk say it make gamma ray effect even stronger and make Hulk most powerfull in world.
Some people dont understand 1,000mg of 10% Icariin is pretty much the same as 200mg at 50% Icariin as 105mg of 98% Icariin.

Unless you have some bad extract or its not as potent as the supplier say it is (if the importer isnt testing it), its just a matter of getting a certain amout of Icariin for various uses.

I think some people think 60%, 50%, whatever % is "stronger" than the other. One maybe more "stonger" because its actually tested and contains a certain amount of Icariin.

With the entire Icariins, Icariin think, I know on my part it was an issue of Icariin versious total Epimedium flavonoids (which may be being refered to as Icariins versus flavonoids).
 
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If I were capping the 1000mg would be okay.
But since I am just probably going to take the straight powder I prefer a higher strength and smaller dosage.
 
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If I were capping the 1000mg would be okay.
But since I am just probably going to take the straight powder I prefer a higher strength and smaller dosage.
Yeah thats fine but I was just saying people in general think 500mg at 50% is stronger than 1250mg at 20% and thats not the case, the dif. is actually with the supplier and the quality of the Epimidium.
 
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Well, that and the fact that with the higher extract, you are getting more Icariin and not everything else in HGW that you may not want to take a higher dose of. So in that regard a higher extract is far superior than mega-dosing HGW.
 
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Well, that and the fact that with the higher extract, you are getting more Icariin and not everything else in HGW that you may not want to take a higher dose of. So in that regard a higher extract is far superior than mega-dosing HGW.
True.... plus, there is a lot to be said for the extra space that can be utilized for other ingredients in a cap.
 
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Well, that and the fact that with the higher extract, you are getting more Icariin and not everything else in HGW that you may not want to take a higher dose of. So in that regard a higher extract is far superior than mega-dosing HGW.
All the alkaloids in HGW are important. Icariin is only important as a PDE-5 inhibitor and to increase acetylcholine.

The libido and the semen volume and cortisol reduction come from other actives in HGW.
 

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