Coming off IGF-2 and JW
- 11-02-2007, 09:01 PM
- 11-02-2007, 09:03 PM
You could try drive, or drive +. Drive is pretty crazy as far as libido raisingAnimis Rep
- 11-02-2007, 09:04 PM
11-02-2007, 09:05 PM
11-02-2007, 09:08 PM
11-02-2007, 09:09 PM
drive is worth a shot, or could just go with icariin.
11-02-2007, 09:16 PM
I have a bottle ofleft and it contains icariin so would this work?
Cellulardude I will look into that e-form thanks
11-02-2007, 09:21 PM
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11-02-2007, 09:30 PM
11-02-2007, 09:32 PM
easy, I like your new green name tag . It caught my eye already. Ive always been used to seeing gold on you. Plus greens my favorite color so it just stood out.
11-03-2007, 01:11 AM
Since JW has a designer steroid in it a SERM will probably be useful, get some torm or nolva.
Overkill probably but better safe than sorry.
11-03-2007, 03:59 AM
11-03-2007, 12:02 PM
11-03-2007, 12:16 PM
what was your dosage like btw? Im just a bit curious because my friend double dosed JW for a little less than a month. He ran 5 caps mon-fri with sat and sunday rest. He didnt see anything besides acne. No shutdown, no lethargy. He did report that it made him hungry as ever however.
11-03-2007, 12:24 PM
I did 3 caps daily with meals, and 6 caps of IGF2 I didnt get any side effects but acne on my shoulders.
11-03-2007, 12:27 PM
11-03-2007, 12:32 PM
11-03-2007, 12:39 PM
Ive never done anything like JW or PH's of any kind so it's hard to tell. Mnnn anyone chime in? Im thinking he's just suffering from low test, but I have no first hand experience so I can't really come up with a solution. E-Form is a very product to use to help bring up your test levels. Im pretty intrested in seeing if E-Form and JW run together would be a smart idea. Maybe E-Form/Formestane after a JW cycle if suppression does occur? Anyone? Im stumped
11-03-2007, 12:40 PM
it is a little odd, I don't recall seeing too many JW logs mention it, many did mention libido being high while on it. but it could just be my memory.
11-03-2007, 12:46 PM
Yea no doubt my libido was real high while on it, but after stopping, my libido is nothing at all...
11-03-2007, 12:47 PM
theres a whole bunch of herbals that could do it. maybe diesel test hardcore? it has a pretty good track record.
11-03-2007, 01:50 PM
What do you guys recommend to do. Im hoping, but not sure if it will go back to normal after taking some kind of libido booster.
11-03-2007, 02:28 PM
well, the libido boosting substance could help kickstart you, or alternatively give you something to work with till your normal libido comes back
11-03-2007, 03:35 PM
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11-03-2007, 05:29 PM
11-03-2007, 05:31 PM
yeah, hard to say for sure. Some insurance only covers it once a year, and even then they likely won't test for testosterone levels at your age unless there are signs of a problem
11-03-2007, 05:38 PM
Easy, Im just wondering about other side affects as I got off it, I got really lethargic and now Im sick. So I just curious if these would be side effects of it?
11-03-2007, 06:14 PM
• Low sex drive and impotence
• Loss of lean muscle
• Fat accumulation
• Increased risk of osteoporosis and bone fractures
• Weak feelings in legs
• Hot flashes
11-03-2007, 06:32 PM
The whole point of taking a SERM after a cycle is to raise test. JW=designer steroid. What harm would it do exactly?
I've seen people complaining of suppression after a JW cycle, this isn't unusual. Personally I felt slightly suppressed while on it. I'd definantly get a SERM, toremifene is great, what it costs like $50? Whats the ability to get an erection worth to you?
A few funky herbs which have been shown to increase mount frequencies in castrated rats are going to cost around $50 too and will do jack ****. SERM's have been proven over and over again.
11-03-2007, 07:28 PM
Thanks for the link, Ive never done anything suppressive because im a youngin (18) All I know is to stay away from them but in this case, Im just too curious so I had to ask. Would something like E-Form after JW be useful? If I were to ever do a cycle Id do JW for 4 weeks then run E-Form/formestane tampering down for another 2-3 weeks. Ive heard of JW being suppresive but I havent heard many cases of complete shutdown on regular dosages. Maybe full blown double dosing dosages yes, but for the most part the end of a cycle just resulted in low test.
11-09-2007, 04:25 PM
Do you need PCT for IGF2? There's a pretty strong consensus that you don't need PCT for JW, but I'm not too versed in IGF2.
NSCA - CSCS
11-09-2007, 04:39 PM
No, not at all. no PCT for any of the appnut products
11-09-2007, 05:08 PM
Oh that's so sweet. I'm still researching and planning my cycle in December. I have my mind pretty much set on JW/Drive. The draw being that these two would make great stacks without PCT. I have done my homework on IGF2 "yet", but if you had to choose between JW/Drive or JW/IGF2, which would you pick?
NSCA - CSCS
11-09-2007, 05:10 PM
11-09-2007, 05:16 PM
Oh yeah, I'm in the 200+ category so I'll be taking 4 a day. From what I've dug up, a lot of people have recommended loading the first 10 days with 6 caps of Drive, then going back down to 4 for the remainder of the cycle, so it's not going to be cheap.
NSCA - CSCS
11-09-2007, 05:20 PM
IGF-2 has different activity, so it benefits in other ways. If I had to pick between drive + igf2 to go with JW, i'd also go with drive
11-09-2007, 05:22 PM
Increased strength (10-15 pounds on compound lifts. Threw in 2-3 caps RPM pre workout as well)
I dropped the dosages a bit down to 4 and I didnt notice much on the mood department or recomp effect. I think 6 is the magic number for everyone.
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