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    Cool Non-Anabolic/Roid Stacks


    i need some opinions on some stacks...for example
    BSN's Cell-Mass,Axis-HT,N.O.Explode,Syntha..

    I wanna get some opinons on what other have tried out creatines no boosters etc. Im looking into getting a stack but wanna get some heads up on sum products...i hear this and then the other if you know what im saying...so help me plz

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    Drive and RPM along with X-Factor is all non hormonal, all natural and will probably produce some steroid like gains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellardude View Post
    Drive and RPM along with X-Factor is all non hormonal, all natural and will probably produce some steroid like gains.
    steroid like gains ? that's a pretty bold statement.
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    How about a stack that doesn't include any extraneous hormones?

    Divanil products like Activate or bulk nettle (stacked with an aromatase inhibitor) free bound test and seem to work quite well for many. Anabolic Pump seems to be quite popular as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    steroid like gains ? that's a pretty bold statement.
    well, true that it's probably a pretty farfetched statement but in my opinion it's a pretty nice stack. Ill rephrase myself steroid gains= probably not, good natural gains = yes. Im running it right now, Leaning out a lot on a bulk. while getting stronger and bigger. But ill have to wait till the end of the stack to fairly judge it for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellardude View Post
    Drive and RPM along with X-Factor is all non hormonal, all natural and will probably produce some steroid like gains.
    through in some avtivate xtreme and anabolic pump. that should get u big and cut. although some people dont get the steroid like gains that others get. in my opinion x-factor works, i have a friend that tried it he didnt see the gains that others have, i think its because he didnt follow the diet right. wow i went off on a tangent there..... dang A.D.D. !
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    WHOA - Slow down bro! RPM / DRIVE is a great Non-Hormonal stack... I cannot say anything about X-Factor, I've never used it and never will. But in NO way will any of those yield "steroid like gains."

    Quote Originally Posted by Cellardude View Post
    Drive and RPM along with X-Factor is all non hormonal, all natural and will probably produce some steroid like gains.
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    X factor with RPM and Drive must be incredible. An AR upregulator with all natural heightened levels of test (no hormonal AI's involved) is just plain sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew76 View Post
    WHOA - Slow down bro! RPM / DRIVE is a great Non-Hormonal stack... I cannot say anything about X-Factor, I've never used it and never will. But in NO way will any of those yield "steroid like gains."
    true true. okay ill change my statement. RPM and Drive are great solid products that will help you lean up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellardude View Post
    Drive and RPM along with X-Factor is all non hormonal, all natural and will probably produce some steroid like gains.
    this is steroid like.. 13lbs in a seasoned strenght athlete in less than a month.

    You want a sick f*cking pump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    steroid like gains ? that's a pretty bold statement.
    Depends on what steroid(s) and the amounts used. If designed correctly, A natural supplement cycle can compete with a steroids if you take into account the negative effects of steroids and the PCT needed. With a natural cycle, you maintain all your gains with out fear of negative sides like gyno and toxicity.

    If you are talking Grams of roids a week than you have an arguement.

    I designed Doug Millers supplement stack and it produced steroid like gains.

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    NO WAY can a natural supplement compare to gains of that from actual anabolic steroids... that's just tooo far-fetched. The natural may be safer - but that is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew76 View Post
    NO WAY can a natural supplement compare to gains of that from actual anabolic steroids... that's just tooo far-fetched. The natural may be safer - but that is all.
    You may be influenced by the bodybuilding magazines.

    Anavar, winstrol, EQ, deca, masteron, are very mild steroids that produce strenght but not much mass at moderate amounts.

    Epi Drol is a steroid that the average user gains maybe 4-8 lbs of LBM in 4 weeks.

    Most likely, you will find steroid users that build cylces based on anabolic and androgenic compounds that can cost thousands of dollars and last 12 weeks. This is a different story.
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    No, I'm not influenced by the magazines - just the science behind things like "TEST" that cannot be compared to in gains from a "natural" supplement.

    However, POWERFULL is one of the best "natural" supplements ever created. I cannot attest to any gains from AP or P-Slin - I just didn't respond. But that's just me - I know a lot of people swear by it.

    And once again - I am NOT influenced by the Body Building magazines, but thanks for throwing that in there.

    Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs View Post
    You may be influenced by the bodybuilding magazines.

    Anavar, winstrol, EQ, deca, masteron, are very mild steroids that produce strenght but not much mass at moderate amounts.

    Epi Drol is a steroid that the average user gains maybe 4-8 lbs of LBM in 4 weeks.

    Most likely, you will find steroid users that build cylces based on anabolic and androgenic compounds that can cost thousands of dollars and last 12 weeks. This is a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew76 View Post
    No, I'm not influenced by the magazines - just the science behind things like "TEST" that cannot be compared to in gains from a "natural" supplement.

    However, POWERFULL is one of the best "natural" supplements ever created. I cannot attest to any gains from AP or P-Slin - I just didn't respond. But that's just me - I know a lot of people swear by it.

    And once again - I am NOT influenced by the Body Building magazines, but thanks for throwing that in there.
    Testosterone is highly androgenic, but "steroids" is a broad term that just not limit it to testosterone.

    Just my opinion but I would take AP/PSLIN over deca anyday for recovery, strenght, performance and health.

    NicK winters is a seasoned vet in the iron game and he giained 13lbs in less then a month. The gains he accomplish resemble steroid like gains.

    I'm not sure why you are argueing but Go ahead and school me on the "science" of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew76 View Post
    No, I'm not influenced by the magazines - just the science behind things like "TEST" that cannot be compared to in gains from a "natural" supplement.

    However, POWERFULL is one of the best "natural" supplements ever created. I cannot attest to any gains from AP or P-Slin - I just didn't respond. But that's just me - I know a lot of people swear by it.

    And once again - I am NOT influenced by the Body Building magazines, but thanks for throwing that in there.
    Just another example of a good stack producing "steroid" like gains.
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    I'm sure all the extra carbs have nothing to do with the weight gain...

    And I'm not going to argue, simply discuss in a mature manner. No need to be so defensive. And plus, I'm more likely to be banned for argueing with you. School you on the "science?" I think you are assuming to much... Untill you can show be actual bloodwork and not sponsored logs, this discussion is over.

    Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs View Post
    NicK winters is a seasoned vet in the iron game and he giained 13lbs in less then a month. The gains he accomplish resemble steroid like gains.
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    Have you taken any supps before? First supp anyone should try is Creatine Monohydrate. Cheap and effective. If your a non responder then so be it. Throw out your stash but before you start paying $40 a bottle for a one month supply of RPM/Drive/X Factor you should give creatine a go.
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    jeez, the tension in here is insane. Im just curious why is it that I find you too always "discussing" things in this manner. Im pretty sure this isnt the first time
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew76 View Post
    I'm sure all the extra carbs have nothing to do with the weight gain...

    And I'm not going to argue, simply discuss in a mature manner. No need to be so defensive. And plus, I'm more likely to be banned for argueing with you. School you on the "science?" I think you are assuming to much... Untill you can show be actual bloodwork and not sponsored logs, this discussion is over.
    You got defensive Mathew. I'm just discussing that today's supplements offer a great alternative to steroids and with a properly planned supplement cycle. You can make "steroid" like gains.

    You jumped down the dudes throat that said supplements can create steroid like gains. To quote your response directly;

    "WHOA - Slow down bro! RPM / DRIVE is a great Non-Hormonal stack... I cannot say anything about X-Factor, I've never used it and never will. But in NO way will any of those yield "steroid like gains."'

    Not a very "mature' respone. You have not used x-factor nor stacked x-factor with rpm/drive so how can you even respond.

    What does blood work have to do with gains? Water retention contributes to increase weight on steroids and especially testosterone. But creating a hydrated intracellular enviroment is a highly anabolic favorable situation.

    So yes, The extra carbohydrates shuttled into muscle cells contribute to the intitial weight gain but not 13 lbs and if you read his post, He dropped body fat.

    Doug Miller and Nick Winters results speak for themselves.
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    i had something typed out but i deleted it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    i had something typed out but i deleted it.
    haha...why?
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    Ok Jacob, my bad - you're the man.

    Instead of argueing with me, shouldn't you be out combing the globe for the next magic pill? The $100 a month I spend on your supplements for my staples are ending. No more - do you care - NO.

    And I did not intend to hijack this thread - my apologies. And for the record, I didn't jump down Cellardude's throat - that's just the way you want to view it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew76 View Post
    Ok Jacob, my bad - you're the man.

    Instead of argueing with me, shouldn't you be out combing the globe for the next magic pill? The $100 a month I spend on your supplements for my staples are ending. No more - do you care - NO.

    And I did not intend to hijack this thread - my apologies. And for the record, I didn't jump down Cellardude's throat - that's just the way you want to view it.

    UnSuBBeD.

    hahaha, im sure the research is going to be some shady/obsecure place in India...in which Jacob(I assume this is your first name) will fall under an incredibly misguided notion of racism because he has no other rebuttle.

    My biggest mistake was buying any of their bullshlt to begin with...hahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    My biggest mistake was buying any of their bullshlt to begin with...hahaha
    Reaper which products in particular did you not like and why? Genuinely curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    hahaha, im sure the research is going to be some shady/obsecure place in India...in which Jacob(I assume this is your first name) will fall under an incredibly misguided notion of racism because he has no other rebuttle.

    My biggest mistake was buying any of their bullshlt to begin with...hahaha
    As long as the Doug Millers and Nick winters of the world stand by USPlabs, I can live with your hate. Aside from venting on a forum, you do not stand for much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs View Post
    As long as the Doug Millers and Nick winters of the world stand by USPlabs, I can live with your hate.

    people are gonna hate bro, keep bringing different and innovative products to the market....As much as people love your stuff, there will be people to hate it.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by john123131 View Post
    people are gonna hate bro, keep bringing different and innovative products to the market....As much as people love your stuff, there will be people to hate it.....
    ^^^^^^^.

    This will be the case for many companies, always.

    I think the problem with some is that when a company brings a product to the market that is out of the 'Norm' if you like, there is always people there to try and smack them down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs View Post
    As long as the Doug Millers and Nick winters of the world stand by USPlabs, I can live with your hate. Aside from venting on a forum, you do not stand for much.

    At the same time, you are just one company among many. Don't get too wrapped up in feeling exclusive about yourself. You are far from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew76 View Post
    Ok Jacob, my bad - you're the man.

    Instead of argueing with me, shouldn't you be out combing the globe for the next magic pill? The $100 a month I spend on your supplements for my staples are ending. No more - do you care - NO.

    And I did not intend to hijack this thread - my apologies. And for the record, I didn't jump down Cellardude's throat - that's just the way you want to view it.

    UnSuBBeD.
    I just disagreed with your opinion and offered my opinion.

    Do I care, Of course I care but two people should be able to disagree but still agree on other facets of life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    At the same time, you are just one company among many. Don't get too wrapped up in feeling exclusive about yourself. You are far from it.


    You may have drunk one to many energy drinks.

    Our product line is exclusive and we are one company among many. This is constant of the commerical world but thanks for the lesson in global econimics.
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    Is anyone going to help the original poster?...eh i tried...

    Reaper it seems to me you hate just about every supp on the market bar some random energy drinks you are facinated with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    Is anyone going to help the original poster?...eh i tried...

    Reaper it seems to me you hate just about every supp on the market bar some random energy drinks you are facinated with.
    I've found more often than not many supplements not live up to their claims. If I were getting all the stuff for free then I wouldn't care, but when I am a paying customer, the occurance is nothing more than theft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    I've found more often than not many supplements not live up to their claims. If I were getting all the stuff for free then I wouldn't care, but when I am a paying customer, the occurance is nothing more than theft.
    So a quick question for you.
    Who in your opinion are the thieves?
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    Don't fall for that trap Reaper...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickfootie View Post
    So a quick question for you.
    Who in your opinion are the thieves?

    If you go to a used car dealer and buy a lemon (car that is junk), who is the thief ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    I've found more often than not many supplements not live up to their claims. If I were getting all the stuff for free then I wouldn't care, but when I am a paying customer, the occurance is nothing more than theft.
    i understand what your saying, but i do feel people look for all of the answers to come from a pill not realising that they themselves need to keep up their end of the bargain with diet/trainging etc.
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    Anyways for the guy who asked the question......if he makes it past the hijacking:


    -protein and lots of it
    -multi vitamin/ multi mineral
    -creatine monohydrate

    I started bodybuilding for 1 year with only Nitro-Tech (yeah, yeah I know) and made gains off of it. Yes when I said only Nitro-Tech that was all i used, I didn't even take vitamins at the time.

    After that I progressed into vitamins,creatine, and pre-workout supps.


    Unless you are taking gear your not going to see an IMMEDIATE difference and no you will not put on slabs of muscle unless you are doing the M1T+Anadrol+Tren+Superdrol combo. (very effective by the way)



    The most important supplements that are over-looked are: diet, consistancy, and PATIENCE...this shlt dosen't just happen over night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post



    The most important supplements that are over-looked are: diet, consistancy, and PATIENCE...this shlt dosen't just happen over night.
    Hmm, those are not supplements. Those the basics. It happens much faster if your diet is consistant. The thing is, when someone tells a supplement company that their supplement doesn't "work" for them, that is the common response over and over. Diet and training, diet and training. However, if your diet and training is "in line" as everyone seems to say then you don't need any special supplements. Then when the person gets their diet and training "in order" and they start to see results, whos to say it is from the "supplement"?. Bottom line if you are going to wait till you take some sort of supplement to keep your diet "in line", then don't bother!. Don't look at a supplement as a cruch, or majic pill that is going to add 13 pounds!!. Go to the gym workout hard, eat right consistantly and you will acheive results. If you want to add a supplement to your diet after that, then so be it!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    Anyways for the guy who asked the question......if he makes it past the hijacking:


    -protein and lots of it
    -multi vitamin/ multi mineral
    -creatine monohydrate

    I started bodybuilding for 1 year with only Nitro-Tech (yeah, yeah I know) and made gains off of it. Yes when I said only Nitro-Tech that was all i used, I didn't even take vitamins at the time.

    After that I progressed into vitamins,creatine, and pre-workout supps.


    Unless you are taking gear your not going to see an IMMEDIATE difference and no you will not put on slabs of muscle unless you are doing the M1T+Anadrol+Tren+Superdrol combo.



    The most important supplements that are over-looked are: diet, consistancy, and PATIENCE...this shlt dosen't just happen over night.
    Now this is a worthwhile post Reaper. And is correct.
    Also even having the best products in the world if your diet and training are crap then the supplements aren't gonna do anything for you anyways.
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