interesting Beta Alanine + Superdrol side effect
- 10-23-2007, 10:35 PM
interesting Beta Alanine + Superdrol side effect
Just a heads up here on something that might be useful. I started a SD cycle a week or so ago. I have done several before, I've always had problems with the severe low back pumps, as well as other areas (like rear delts for some reason). Yes I take taurine and that does not seem to eliminate them, but it does help.
Well unrelated to this SD cycle I was reading up on BA, and decided to get some (NP bulk). It did not arrive until Friday and I did not start taking any until Sat.
I expereinced the SD back pumps same as before when I started up this cycle (20 mg/day). Added the BA, no back pumps. I mean zero. I did heavy squats today which ordinarily would have me cramping up like crazy. No problems whatsoever. Also the standard SD lethargy thing is gone with the BA.
So anyway it may be that taurine isn't the right thing to use here, it is BA, or maybe BA + taurine. Someone with way more biochem than me might be able to explain why.
Anyone else try this? - 10-23-2007, 10:50 PM
It is to my understanding that Beta-Alanine expands the veins for better blood flow, resulting in a reasonable increase in endurance. It sounds that the Beta-Alanine is relaxing the portions of your back that were previously tightened up.
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- 10-23-2007, 11:17 PM
Yeah that's a good explanation. I have noticed a flushing effect kind of like niacin with the BA, so maybe you are right and increased bloodflow is mitigating the pumps as well.
- 10-24-2007, 12:03 AM
I thought back pumps were more of a Kidney thing. Thought I read that from a very smart doc. D i n o i i i
- 10-24-2007, 12:19 AM
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- 10-24-2007, 07:54 AM
Thanks for the reference, I looked up his comments over there (DA). Seems like a real smart guy but in this case I'd disagree regarding low back pumps being caused by kidney swelling. Mainly because I'd get similar painful pumps all over my body depending on what types of exercise I was doing. Seemed it was primarily in very short high-strength muscle fibers, like low back, shins, internal shoulder muscles and so forth. Now it may be that SD does mess with the kidneys as well as everything else, but I kinda doubt my kidneys were causing my shins to ache.
- 10-24-2007, 11:50 AM
Minor update here. I do a torso-only day after heavy legs, to train core/abs and for recovery on low back. I'll do 3 sets of for example 25 hyperextensions as part of it, easy just to get some blood flowing. On previous SD cycles, no way could I get through one set without that debilitating pump, and the rest of the day was always real hard (weighted twists especially). Knocked out 3 sets of 25 hypers today, easy no problems. Same with the twists.
- 10-24-2007, 01:11 PM
- 10-24-2007, 07:01 PM
Can you guys point me to some info on this? I've always had the sneaking suspicion that it might be kidney related, but have tried to convince myself otherwise because I get back pumps from even non-hormnal things like rpm. Any legit info would certainly be grounds for massive reps.
- 10-24-2007, 08:02 PM
I just went over to discount anabolics forums and searched on "dinoiii". Not much hard info on the kidney assertion, other than he said the kidneys may swell up and somehow indirectly cause low back discomfort. It may be true in some cases (who knows) but my own experience and that of others is you get more than just back pumps on SD. Furthermore the nature of the non-back pumps seem to be in similar muscle tissue and feels the same (in my case). So I am skeptical of the kidney link, at least a simplistic mechanical one. Perhaps the kidneys produce something toxic that in turn affects short msucle fibers? I have no idea. I do know that whatever it is beta alanine got rid of it.
- 11-06-2007, 05:26 PM
- 11-06-2007, 06:03 PM
- 11-07-2007, 08:19 AM
R-i-g-h-t...not much "hard" info with "superdrol" to begin with (hell, ANY PH/PS/DeS for tha matter) which is the issue, though we have lab studies to back up more than you realize. That dinoiii, what a joke.
Nonetheless, the suggestion in question was centered on how taurine would potentially alleviate such stress.
I maintain this position based on so many things that go well beyond the initial "assertions" of this industry in the first place - something I like to call REAL DATA.
As you were...
D_Anabolicminds.com Featured Author - 11-07-2007, 08:21 AM
And "calf pumps" have the same relative rationale in increased blood volume btw.
D_Anabolicminds.com Featured Author - 11-07-2007, 08:25 AM
Chances are to account for this extra BA, you have upped your water intake...as is true with many "cell-volumizing" products.
We can go through the relative antagonism between taurine/beta-alanine if you'd like, but the rationale is obvious. Again - final answer = kidney!
D_Anabolicminds.com Featured Author - 11-07-2007, 05:11 PM
Hey Dinoiii,
Thanks for jumping in here and clarifying. I am not understanding this statement WRT the kidney issue. If you postulate a mechanism which causes calf pumps, shin pumps, etc. etc. what is the need to invoke kidneys as somehow preferentially being responsible for the painful back pumps? It seems like an unnecessary element, if one already exists to explain general painful muscle pumps in other tissue. I can see how this same mechanism might also cause kidney pain (as you explained) but that pain (if it exists) is coincident to and not the cause of the low back pain.
Second comment. I am already taking taurine (5 g/d), have always taken it on SD, after my first unpleasant cycle of completely debilitating back pumps. Taurine mitigated the pumps somewhat but never eliminated them. The addition of BA was like night and day, pumps gone and so was the traditional SD lethargy, BTW. Oh and no extra water is being taken, I just dump the BA in my ordinary pre- and post-WO shake. Overall much better experience on SD with BA than ever before. I almost feel "normal".
I have also noticed a large increase in work capacity (say the 8-12 rep range suddenly jumped to 12-16), and a better aerobic capacity, in the sense of not getting as winded even at the now higher reps sets of say squats and DL's.
Finally, I do notice a decrease in BP, or I should say lack of an increase, and also better (lower) resting HR. - 11-07-2007, 05:21 PM
There's BA in my pre-workout mix and I slam the Taurine also. I'm on SD and it's kept them at bay. It may be too early to tell (10days) but I'm only feeling a little lethargic. It's like I can feel the back pumps creeping up but then they never get there. I'll keep my fingers crossed on this one. My 1st SD run had me curled in the fetal position for the last few days of the cycle.
- 11-07-2007, 06:13 PM
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