Pre-workout stim for late night workouts
- 09-24-2007, 09:27 PM
Pre-workout stim for late night workouts
My work day starts at 5am, my workouts start at 8pm. From time to time I'm finding myself pretty bagged for my workouts.
Is there any type of short acting pre-workout stim that I could take? The problem with anything I've used in the past (caffeine, ephedra) is that by the time I'm done my workouts, I'm so wired that I can't go to sleep. If I had something that would give me a short boost, say for an hour or so, that would be perfect.
If anyone can suggest anything....
- 09-24-2007, 09:28 PM
09-24-2007, 09:28 PM
Probably not but did you try dosing the caffine/ephedrine 4hrs before the workout instead of right before. I'd try to time it so it runs out right around the time the workout end. Problem is even lifting late at night will probably keep you up. It does me.
09-24-2007, 09:33 PM
09-24-2007, 09:40 PM
09-24-2007, 09:47 PM
From the Drive FAQ:
"Q: When should I take DRIVE?
A: Take the first dose of DRIVE upon waking in the morning, and then take the second dose approximately one hour before your workout, or mid-afternoon. If you train in the evening, do not take within 3 hours of bedtime. If so, reduce your dosage by one capsule."
How long do the effects last? Am I safe to assume that I could take a dose 3-4 hours before my workout time (8pm), have a good workout, then still fall asleep after my workouts?
09-24-2007, 09:54 PM
09-24-2007, 09:57 PM
I'd make a cocktail from bulk powders which would include some taurine, ALCAR, citrulline malate, glucoronolactone, and maybe a few other goodies. It's more of a pain, but you can have some fun with the "mad scientist" thing. Plus now that Blackstar flavors are alive and well again, you can really brew your own goodies pretty cheap!
There are some very good prefab items out there too. I agree, though, steer clear of the harsher stims (caffeinne/ephedrine) if they're gonna cut into your rest/sleep. That would be counterproductive to growth...
09-24-2007, 11:10 PM
kidding of course. What about SuperdrolNG? I haven't tried it myself, but it sounds like the guys using it are experiencing a good "boost" from it when they take it pre-workout. I'm not sure how long the effect lasts though. It might be worth looking into.
09-24-2007, 11:23 PM
09-25-2007, 12:55 AM
IMHO, you could
1) time your stims so that they wear off by the time you sleep.
2) take some stuff to knock you out. 1-C by Genera works great for me.
3) Wake up earlier to work out before work.
09-25-2007, 02:14 AM
I workout late sometimes as well and don't want too much stim. Chocamine, some ALCAR or PLCAR and citrulline malate work well for me. I also do BCAA's and Glutamine
also maybe try some melatonin or some gaba or some type of sleep supplement on the nights you work out late
09-25-2007, 02:43 AM
well the problem goes beyond stimulant use. working out before you plan on sleeping isnt the greatest idea. it throws off your brain chemistry by getting the adrenaline going and inhibiting GABA production. When this happens, it is difficult to relax and become sleepy.
as for a short acting stim, a good alternative is nicotine gum. the boost will last as long as youre chewing it so it is very easily controlled. and the detrimental health effects are from tobacco, not nicotine from my understanding. its worth a shot IMO.
09-25-2007, 08:14 AM
I can't attest to the drive though it seems pretty good. Otherwise NO Shotgun seems to do the job for me late nights. It seems to have less than 50mg of cafeine(out of 5 or so ingredients 250mg worth it is last) That or I try to hit some moderate cardio for 10-15 minutes to get my blood flowing and then go at it. Hope that helps.
09-25-2007, 09:24 AM
if something like drive would still keep u up, u could try some powerfull, gaba, ect. to help u wind down and get to sleep while simultaneously boosting your GH even further as u sleep.
09-25-2007, 09:33 AM
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09-25-2007, 09:53 AM
09-25-2007, 10:54 AM
BLAST from Nimbus may fit the bill, combine it with SWELL, and you'll be good to go I would think. BLAST gives you a quick shot of energy, but I find that it's not super long lasting. I have no problem sleeping around 3 hours after a dose.
09-25-2007, 06:01 PM
09-25-2007, 10:01 PM
09-25-2007, 10:05 PM
09-25-2007, 10:19 PM
I'm in your boat. I work out at 8:30-9pm. I usually have something with a little caffeine in it. Either toss a few beans in my pre w/o shake or have an energy drink. I doesn't help my sleep that's for sure. But I refuse to take something to help me sleep.
I wouldn't chew nicotine gum. Nicotine is extremely addictive. Kicking smoking was the hardest thing I ever did.
I can't attest to the effectiveness of "Drive." I haven't used it yet! (But I ordered a bottle.)
09-26-2007, 01:10 AM
Thanks for all the replies & the welcome..
I'm going to give Drive and Posiedon a go and see how each of them works for me. I won't need them every day, just a little boost here and there.
To answer some of the posts here, I know that working out pre-sleep isn't the best, however I find myself exhausted enough after my workout that falling asleep isn't a problem. I'm in the "Single Dad that has to work all day, etc,etc." group, so I really don't have a choice of when I can lift. I really only can get to the gym once a sitter gets here and the little guy has gone to bed.
funny enough.. right after I wrote my initial question about this, I went to the gym and set a new PR for one-arm DB rows (150x5), so I'm still gaining for now and doing ok, despite feeling tired.
Thanks again everybody. Looking forward to being here.
09-26-2007, 10:12 AM
09-26-2007, 10:46 AM
09-26-2007, 06:16 PM
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09-26-2007, 06:42 PM
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