Halo-Tren 400

mountainboy · 09-24-2007, 11:13 AM

Has anyone ever used this before? Is it any good, I'm thinking of stacking it with Epistane and Dermacrine. Any feedback would be appreciated- how were the sides, how much bf% loss, how much mass gains, strength gains...

Serving Size (caps) 1
Servings Per 60
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol (mg) 25
Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione (mg) 20
6,7 Dihydroxybergamottin (DHB) (mg) 155

**matthew76** · 09-24-2007, 11:37 AM

HALO - TREN is 2 PH's and you want to stack it with EPI, another PH? Sounds a bit much to me - but if you insist, it's you body. What kind of experience do you have with PH's and training?

mountainboy · 09-24-2007, 11:47 AM

Actually it would be my first cycle ever. It seems to not be to very harsh, because in total it would only be two methylated products.

mountainboy · 09-24-2007, 11:53 AM

Mat- would it be better/wiser for me to go 4 weeks on epi and then directly after that go 4 weeks on halo tren?

**matthew76** · 09-24-2007, 11:58 AM

Truth be known bro - Being your first cycel, I would recommend just running EPI by itself for 4 weeks then PCT with a (SERM) OR running the HALO-TREN w/o the EPI for 3-4weeks with correct support supplements and then 4 weeks of PCT with a (SERM).

**Big BAMA** · 09-24-2007, 12:00 PM

Eight weeks on Orals is a bad Idea. You have two cycles here.
Also in My opinion all of these "Double Methyls" are a bad Idea. It's like sustanol 250. thats 3 methyls mixed together. Halo alone is good but these mixes are sketchy. Plus it is a big strain on your liver.
Also what are your stats?

mountainboy · 09-24-2007, 12:55 PM

Why are the combined compounds sketchy? my stats are 220ish 27years old been lifting for about 4 or 5 years pretty serious around 26%bf 5'8" tall. My goal will be to lose some bodyfat (mainly through cardio) and do a lean bulk, anything else? All the goods that are on hand:

Cycle:
Epistane x1
Halo-Tren 400x1
Dermacrine x1
Cycle Support x1 (Do I need to run this with my PCT?, or just on cycle?)
Cissus x1
Taurine x1

PCT:
NOW liver protector x1(do I actually need this?)
Reatin 2 x1
Diesel Test Hardcore x1
Dermacrine Sustain x1( for my SERM, I know it's very controversial right now, but I feel it's safe)

Staples:
Animal pak
EFA's
Vit C
Digestive aids and probiotics

**Big BAMA** · 09-24-2007, 01:05 PM

Dude, That's three Methyls at once. You can do that if you want but when your Liver starts giving you crap don't say we didn't warn ya. And I said Sketchy because to put those two methyls together is not usually a good Idea. Methyls are liver toxic stand alone when you stack them you are double or triple dosing a chemical that is beating up your liver. You can cycle whatever you want but you asked for some Opinions and that's mine.
As far as the Cycle support goes Start taking one serving per day a week before your cycle. Then Two a day for cycle and post cycle. Anabolic Innovations is coming out with a post cycle support but until then this should work.
And you might want to rethink your SERM.

mountainboy · 09-24-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Big BAMA

Dude, That's three Methyls at once. You can do that if you want but when your Liver starts giving you crap don't say we didn't warn ya. And I said Sketchy because to put those two methyls together is not usually a good Idea. Methyls are liver toxic stand alone when you stack them you are double or triple dosing a chemical that is beating up your liver. You can cycle whatever you want but you asked for some Opinions and that's mine.
As far as the Cycle support goes Start taking one serving per day a week before your cycle. Then Two a day for cycle and post cycle. Anabolic Innovations is coming out with a post cycle support but until then this should work.
And you might want to rethink your SERM.

Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it, I will continue to consider whether or not to do 2 seperate cycles or not.

justreading · 09-24-2007, 02:02 PM

PLEASE TAKE MY ADVICE!!:

Get down to 15% BF before you do any kind of steroid! Oops did I say steroid? Damn straight I did because pro-hormones are banned, pro-STEROIDS are what you are talking about. Orals totally mess up your cholesterol and you are already overweight (actually technically Obese bro).

Steroids for cutting are needed when you are 12% or less and looking to maintain mmuscle on your journey below 10%... You moght wonder; who the hell is this guy to tell me this stuff? Man I am just someone who has made many mistakes misusing things and been lucky along the way to not have health problems.

justreading · 09-24-2007, 02:30 PM

Also sorry for this cause its gonna be harsh: I don't think anyone who knows how to diet can possibly workout for any number of years and still be over 20%... I have NEVER seen one person who couldn't get under 20% with just a poper diet. Now some people are genetically screwed and will stall just below 20 but man you should be able to lower carbs and drop 20 pounds within the next 2 months and be SOLID and ready to get on a cycle. You honestly have some nice wieght man and if you do things right then you will have a nice body within the next 6 months for sure!

Hey I am harsh but you will thank me in 6 months I promise.

mountainboy · 09-24-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by justreading

Also sorry for this cause its gonna be harsh: I don't think anyone who knows how to diet can possibly workout for any number of years and still be over 20%... I have NEVER seen one person who couldn't get under 20% with just a poper diet. Now some people are genetically screwed and will stall just below 20 but man you should be able to lower carbs and drop 20 pounds within the next 2 months and be SOLID and ready to get on a cycle. You honestly have some nice wieght man and if you do things right then you will have a nice body within the next 6 months for sure!

Hey I am harsh but you will thank me in 6 months I promise.

Hey, the truth hurts, it's all good though. I got married 11 months ago, before then I weighed 190, my wife is an awesome cook, the problem is with our schedules we eat dinner pretty late, and she and I both love carby foods, as of this week I will be trying to commit to cutting out carbs after 7.

musclemilk40 · 09-24-2007, 06:10 PM

Man, after 7, cut all starchy carbs out after 1:00pm and than just do fiborous carbs, ie dark green leafy veggies. Do it for 4 3 weeks, see if you dont look completely different. Carbs arent your enemy, its just the times that you ingest them that cause problems.

Halo Tren isn't bad, i liked it but i wouldn't stack it with anything.

mountainboy · 09-24-2007, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by musclemilk40

Man, after 7, cut all starchy carbs out after 1:00pm and than just do fiborous carbs, ie dark green leafy veggies. Do it for 4 3 weeks, see if you dont look completely different. Carbs arent your enemy, its just the times that you ingest them that cause problems.

Halo Tren isn't bad, i liked it but i wouldn't stack it with anything.

Thanks for the tip, what kind of results did you see with it? did it take a couple weeks to see any results? what kind of dosing did you follow?

riskarb · 09-24-2007, 06:44 PM

No SERM?

musclemilk40 · 09-24-2007, 06:44 PM

well i tried to get as much info as i good before taking it. the guys as bcs said it was 5 times more anabolic than test!!! I was like wow......no way, so i kinda started slow, traditional pyramid, 1 in am 1 in pm for 7days, 1,1,1 for 10 days, 1,1 for another 7 and pretty much called it quits. Got really strong and gained about 5 pounds.

mountainboy · 09-24-2007, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musclemilk40

well i tried to get as much info as i good before taking it. the guys as bcs said it was 5 times more anabolic than test!!! I was like wow......no way, so i kinda started slow, traditional pyramid, 1 in am 1 in pm for 7days, 1,1,1 for 10 days, 1,1 for another 7 and pretty much called it quits. Got really strong and gained about 5 pounds.