Supplements for a long hike (all day 17 miles)
- 09-19-2007, 01:08 PM
Supplements for a long hike (all day 17 miles)
So I'm going on a hike b/c some of my buddies talked me into it. It is a 17 mile round trip hike that starts at 4000 feet and goes to 8400 feet. I'm not in great cardio shape even though I'm leaner than a lot of them. Anyway, what should I take supplement-wise? Luckily NP hooked me up with Poseidon and Swell samples so that's going in for sure. Anyone else have a lot of experience with long distance and all day events? I have available:
I'm thinking of getting some gatorades and some water and filling the water with maltodextrin. Should I be taking protein on the hike itself or worry more about carbs and BCAA and eat protein when I get back?
I'm just hoping I don't die
- 09-19-2007, 01:20 PM
beta alanine would be good to add in too
- 09-19-2007, 01:22 PM
I'll see if I can track some BA down. Anyone have suggestions on when to dose what? Maybe I won't take anything other than gatorade and just tough it out.
09-19-2007, 02:38 PM
Ninja, I'd suggest ditching the full body black cloth outfit.... for some comfortable gear that will protect you from whatever you may encounter (poison ivy, thorns, etc.)
Also, don't get caught up in the supplement game when it comes to your hike.... I'd go with the Poseidon for sure, plenty of fluid and food, some good shoes and socks, a hat or visor, etc.
You're in good enough shape to handle the hike I am sure..... don't stress on the supps.
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09-19-2007, 02:42 PM
poseidon and aminos, plus lots of food and water, can't imagine what else you "need"
maybe some cordyceps?
09-19-2007, 02:43 PM
09-19-2007, 03:25 PM
I'm debating on the cloth outfit. There have been many who have done it before me with the same outfit, the only thing is you never saw them b/c they typically stick to the trees and hiding behind rocks. To avoid confusing everyone and having them wonder where I am all the time I'll probably opt for shorts and a T-shirt. Either that or a speedo.
09-19-2007, 05:21 PM
09-19-2007, 05:33 PM
09-19-2007, 06:02 PM
I'm surprised no one said Yohimbe or Ephedrine, if not both.
17 miles....ok that's really far just to walk, but to HIKE ?
BTW, My time on running the mile is 10:40 and I'm not afraid to admit it. I hate running.
09-19-2007, 06:05 PM
I drink that stuff in the morning before runs, or during long hikes/ runs, much better than gatorade. And it's only $7.37 for 36 packets.
Serving Size 1 PACKET
Servings Per Container 36 Packets
Serving % Daily
Calories 14 N/A*
Total Fat 0 N/A*
Sodium 60 Mg 2.5%
Total Carbohydrate 3.5 Gm 1.2%
Sugars 3.4 Gm N/A*
Protein 0 Gm N/A*
Vitamin C (As Mineral Ascorbates) 1000 Mg 1111%
Vitamin B1 (Thiamine HCL) 0.38 Mg 25%
Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin) 0.43 Mg 25%
Special Niacin Complexes 5 Mg 25%
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine HCL) 10 Mg 500%
Folic Acid 12.5 Mcg 3.1%
Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin) 25 Mcg 416%
Pantothenic Acid 2.5 Mg 25%
Potassium 200 Mg 5.7%
Magnesium 60 Mg 15%
Calcium 50 Mg 5%
Zinc 2 Mg 13%
Manganese 1 Mg 50%
Chromium 10 Mcg 8.3%
Alpha-Lipoic Acid 1 Mg N/A*
Emer'Gen-C Lemon-Lime by Alacer - VitaminShoppe.com
09-19-2007, 06:10 PM
Stims kill you on long hikes. Stims are for the weight room or going clubbing when you're drowsy. What you need on a 17 mile hike is complex carbs with small amounts of good fats and proteins and hydration hydration hydration as well as minerals and salts.
The other things I would recommend:
Mole Skin, if you don't know how it works find out
Good shoes that are broken in, extra socks and insoles just in case
Practice WALKING, running/biking does not translate directly to walking. 17 miles with that kind of elevation gain is going to be really really hard to do in one day. Practice a 3 mile walk with an 1500 foot elevation gain (that is the equivelant elevation gain you will experience in 3 miles of your hike), then come back down hill. Both up and down hill are hard on the leg muscles in different ways, the supplements will matter little compared to hydration, good food and practice. Supps will help you recover but outside the emergen-c i think they will be negligible (except stimulants which will kill you).
09-19-2007, 06:12 PM
Ditto on ditching the gatorade. If I were you, beta alanine and a nice BCAA mix should provide some good energy while on the go. Pack a protein bar, but not if it's going to get all melty on ya. Depending on where you're going, I would honestly opt for the one "supplement" that others have left out - water purification tablets!!! You can't possibly carry 2 gallons of water that far - 2 if it is hot and you are sweating alot. It may be better to find some water along the way that is running, has no dead critters in it upstream, and is decently healthy looking.
When in doubt, check out the Discovery Channel's website and watch some Man vs. Wild. Everything ya need is in there somewhere!!
P.S. - A knife. Definitely take a knife. Have fun!!
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09-21-2007, 11:32 AM
09-21-2007, 12:07 PM
The hike is tomorrow. The only problem now is that the top might be under snow. Normally I could handle a little snow, but the the issue is that with half dome at Yosemite you have to go up the last 900 feet of the rock by pulling yourself up a set of cables/planks on the bare granite rock. There is no way I would try it if it's slippery. We might have to make it as far as we can and then do it again next year after the snow. It's going to be cold but at least I won't sweat myself into dehydration
09-21-2007, 12:20 PM
Poseidon is an excellent choice.
Ditto on the Emergen-C. I add a tablespoon or two of Apple Cider Vinegar to mine and it boosts the energy/endurance thing even more.
For elevation endurance..rhodiola, bilberry, the various ginsengs all really do help with O2 assimilation.
And of course, a methyl-B12 shot right before a strenuous climb is always a good thing.
Don't skimp on calories. A shaker full of muscle milk and oats can really go a long way.
09-21-2007, 02:55 PM
09-21-2007, 03:16 PM
Yep. Most common backcountry ski medical emergency...dehydration. You're cold so you don't feel the need to drink.
09-21-2007, 07:14 PM
Hope this gets to you before the hike.
What Bioman said, exactly. You need something you are going to want to drink and drink a lot of. Make up some baggies as follows.
5 baggies of Gatorade powder EACH one of them with a pinch of salt.
ALL the poseidon samples, they will save your azz! This stuff is simply amazing!
A baggie with about a table spoon of salt.
Some pink pepto tablets for the stomach
Drink your water adding the gatorade and see how your stomach feels. If you don't like the gatorade you can still put the poseidon in your water.
Then drink half water, half gatorade. Carry protein bars, rasins and nuts in your pockets.
Make sure you keep sipping your water ALL the time. If you drink more than half before you are half way you know you might be in trouble so take precautions. If you find yourself sweating more than you thought, start adding in more salt from your baggie.
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09-21-2007, 08:29 PM
Nothing finer than peeing in Nature.
09-23-2007, 10:49 AM
09-23-2007, 08:35 PM
I agree...Poseidon is Emergen C on roids. lol
I only use it in ACV because Posiedon doesn't do well in it..at least for me.
I'll post some impressions of Poseidon use for hiking in extreme heat a little later.
09-23-2007, 10:12 PM
09-24-2007, 01:51 PM
Hi everyone - I have good news and bad news.
Bad news - We didn't make it to the top b/c of weather. About 3/4 of the way up we ran into a rain/hail storm. I was wearing shorts, t-shirt, long sleeve t-shirt, nice socks and boots. Not prepared to say the least but I wasn't cold (due to my body making heat while hiking) until we stopped for 10 or more minutes, or until it started pouring rain. Also there was about 6-8 inches of snow on top and we heard a little thunder. Standing on the highest point of granite and holding onto metal cables in the snow while lightning was going on didn't seem the smartest thing to do at the time .
Good news - We got in about 10 miles round trip. Elevation went from 4500 feet to about 6800 feet. It was absolutely awesome scenery. At some points we were going up a "staircase" of granite with each step anywhere from 8 inches to 16 inches tall to climb up. Some places were roughly 4-5 feet wide with an edge you REALLY would not want to fall over unless you like free falling.
Great news - I feel fine today. Feet, calves, and quads are a little stiff but overall not bad. I did not get overly tired during the hike despite not being in great cardio shape. I have no doubt that the IGF-2 cycle I am on and the Poseidon that I was drinking during the day helped me out quite a bit. I was surprised how my body was able to handle it actually. Now I'm hooked and have to wait until next spring to finish it off (after the snow melts).
09-24-2007, 02:21 PM
09-24-2007, 02:26 PM
09-24-2007, 06:15 PM
The BLAST/SWELL combo is stellar....especially pre-workout. Be sure and let us know what you think if you decided to give them a try.
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