Just wanted to give a shout out to PAL for making such an awesome supp. I have been using Primaforce Cissus to help with joint issues (which i still really like) but i found a deal on incarnate at my local supp shop for $24 bucks a pop. I decided to give it a try and all i can say is wow. I have a lot of endurance which is really helping now that i am in pct after my epithin-e cycle. This is really helping with the joints too and even better than regular cissus. I went and stocked up on this and it will definitely be a staple supp for me from now on.