Get a free bottle of Drive if you can figure out what 4 of the 5 components are......

[xjsynx]

And what is wrong with ecdy???

Sinner and I are the 2 resident ecdy whores, FYI.

Whore away buddy, whore away. You can have all the insect sh1t you want, and pretty soon you will ripped as an ant...

[johnyq]

Whore away buddy, whore away. You can have all the insect sh1t you want, and pretty soon you will ripped as an ant...

Are we speaking in ratios or absolutes? Because I would love to be as ripped as an ant per unit of body mass.

[Rodja]

Whore away buddy, whore away. You can have all the insect sh1t you want, and pretty soon you will ripped as an ant...

I take it you have never run a high % extract of ecdy...

[xjsynx]

And what is wrong with ecdy???

Sinner and I are the 2 resident ecdy whores, FYI.

A little info I pulled from Cy Wilson

...humans do not posses ecdysteroid receptors and thus there is no place for these compounds to bind and induce transcription. Insects on the other hand do.

Researchers have concluded the same thing for years. One author said that ecdysteroids are completely innocuous, having no anabolic activity in mammals. Another group of researchers gave mice 2 grams of ecdysteroids per kilogram of body weight for a total of 35 days. They had no effect.(16,17)

In a side note, ecdysteroids may increase insulin sensitivity in adipose tissue.(18) That means that they could actually increase body fat. Not good.

Lastly, just for fun, I’ll give you the pharmacokinetics of ecdysteroids. Once ingested, ecdysteroids survive the stomach, are taken up rapidly, and then removed quickly from the bloodstream and subsequently disposed of through biliary excretion into the intestine. Ecdysteroid levels peak 30 min to 2 hours after oral ingestion.(19,20) That means that even if they did work, they wouldn’t hang around for very long.

[xjsynx]

I take it you have never run a high % extract of ecdy...

...humans do not posses ecdysteroid receptors and thus there is no place for these compounds to bind and induce transcription. Insects on the other hand do.

[xjsynx]

I take it you have never run a high % extract of ecdy...

But hey if it works for you, keep on doing it. I just hope AN doesn't follow the trend.

[Rodja]

I never said it was a mass-builder. It is an ergogenic aid for recovery, endurance, vascularity, and hardness. Many, including myself, also experience a leaning effect from it. I am well aware of the T 1/2 of ecdy, but most are not.

Ecdy needs to be taken with a high protein meal and I do not see any mention of diet in the study you posted.

[xjsynx]

I never said it was a mass-builder. It is an ergogenic aid for recovery, endurance, vascularity, and hardness. Many, including myself, also experience a leaning effect from it. I am well aware of the T 1/2 of ecdy, but most are not.

Ecdy needs to be taken with a high protein meal and I do not see any mention of diet in the study you posted.

In a side note, ecdysteroids may increase insulin sensitivity in adipose tissue.(18)

18. Kosovskii MI, et al. "The effect of nerobol and ecdysterone on insulin-dependent processes linked normally and in insulin resistance." Probl Endokrinol (Mosk) 1989 Sep-Oct;35(5):77-81

[Rodja]

In a side note, ecdysteroids may increase insulin sensitivity in adipose tissue.(18)

18. Kosovskii MI, et al. "The effect of nerobol and ecdysterone on insulin-dependent processes linked normally and in insulin resistance." Probl Endokrinol (Mosk) 1989 Sep-Oct;35(5):77-81

Never put too much stock in a single study, especially over real-world experience. Clen is anabolic in mice, but not in humans, so not everything effects humans and mice the same way.

[Vitruvian]

Anyways, we have ruled out ecdy

[xjsynx]

Anyways, we have ruled out ecdy

[rms80]

I have asked a million times. I think it will change a few more times before the release. Or maybe it is a mystery ingredient.

Nah - it is set in stone- we have had the formula for about 3-4 months- just wanted to make sure the ratios were right

[Vitruvian]

and guess what people?

they are RIGHT!!

[bioman]

Of course they are, Dirk digglered it just riiiight.

[rms80]

Of course they are, Dirk digglered it just riiiight.

[xjsynx]

Nah - it is set in stone- we have had the formula for about 3-4 months- just wanted to make sure the ratios were right

And we still don't know what the 5 items are. I give up, just like I gave up ever seeing Drive in my filthy paws. It is a few weeks every week, now it is Oct at teh O...

At least the NFL season started

[Vitruvian]

The O is this month, isn't it?

We'll have Drive out for you XJ..... a consolation prize of sorts for the season Denver is about to have

[Rodja]

The O is this month, isn't it?

We'll have Drive out for you XJ..... a consolation prize of sorts for the season Denver is about to have

Well, if he is an Avs fan, then at least one team will have a hell of a season.

Red Wings Suck.

[Zombie]

The O is this month, isn't it?

We'll have Drive out for you XJ..... a consolation prize of sorts for the season Denver is about to have

are you guys going to be @ the expo ?

[Vitruvian]

Yes'sir... booth right next to Palo Alto!

Like a one stop shop baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (**** Vitale voice)