Great Debate: Glutamine worth the money??

[Blacksmith]

I eat a lot of cottage cheese which is one of the
best natural sources of L-Glutamine around.
I supplement with it cutting and use it in my
post workout shake or when I do cardio for
recovery.
Is it worth the money ?
Probably not.

The only way to tell
if its works for you is to go off all supps for
a period of time eating the same throughout.
Work-out as normal,
then add in the glutamine after say 4-6 weeks.
keep a journal and track progress, as well as recovery.

I just don't have time to do this.

[sage]

Originally posted by Blacksmith
I eat a lot of cottage cheese which is one of the
best natural sources of L-Glutamine around.

good point. how much is alot for yall? ive gotten to like it quite a bit over the last year but never been able to find fatfree/1% in bulk (over 32 oz) so i end up buying the 16oz at $1.50 and go through like 3 cans in 2 days....grocery bill gets up there cuz of this. be interested to see if anyone could find a list of food, naturally high in glutamine

[Blacksmith]

In general, foods like beans, fish, meat and dairy products contain high amounts of Glutamine.

[Delphinus]

If I recall correctly cottage cheese (milk protein) contains ~10% glutamine whilst meat (like human muscle) has ~15%.

Heres a post I made AGES ago on another board (sorry for the links):
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A good overview, and evidence that glutamine does not enhance immune system outside of EXTREME catabolic situations (ie. wasting conditions):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract


Prevalence of glutamine in blood and muscles does not stimulate higher protein synthesis:

Fang CH, James JH, Fischer JE, Hasselgren PO.
Is muscle protein turnover regulated by intracellular glutamine during sepsis? JPEN J Parenter Enteral Nutr 1995 Jul-Aug;19(4):279-85

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract

BCAA’s over glutamine because they DO increase protein synthesis:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...6&dopt=Abstract



Ok, now I DO believe glutamine may be useful in some cases. People are always saying “But even the Pro’s use it”. Look at the training schedule of a pro-bodybuilder… I can guarantee it will consist of far more frequency and volume than the training of your average Joe. This is obviously due to the “chemical-enhancements” they are benefit to, nevertheless this does not change the basic physiology of their muscle cells and amino pools. Since ~30% of the amino’s “sucked” out of the muscles are of glutamine when training pro’s may have more need for it. They may have faster recover times and be able to work longer and harder but they still need the building blocks to recover and grow. Also, since glutamine makes up 2/3 of the muscle-free amino pool and is primarily manufactured in the muscles it is understandable that the Pro’s may benefit from supplementation. Even though glutamine can be produced in the body, the extreme duress the pro’s bodies are put under may call for supplementation. Sure, weight training puts our bodies under duress as well, but only for a few hours a week… studies (above) show this is not enough to significantly deteriorate glutamine production.

Another time this MAY apply is while cutting. Here, again, bodily function is impaired this time due to a hypocaloric state. The nutrients being consumed (even protein) will partially be used for energy and the bodies mechanisms to manufacture its own glutamine could hypothetically be reduced. Keep in mind that people usually eat higher protein when cutting so, if you’re eating an extra 50g protein from meat your already getting an additional 7.5g of glutamine. Glutamine hasn’t helped me much while cutting, but this is the (only) time I think the non-steroidal (or PH using) bodybuilder may have use for it.

[Blacksmith]

Originally posted by Delphinus
If I recall correctly cottage cheese (milk protein) contains ~10% glutamine whilst meat (like human muscle) has ~15%.

Hmmm...
From

http://www.guamdiner.com/library/hea...es/HAN019.html

Bodybuilding and L-Glutamine:

L-glutamine became popular with bodybuilders about ten years ago. It's interesting (and maybe not a coincidence) that the highest food based concentration of L-glutamine is cottage cheese. The original version of the leading Meal Replacement Powder (M.R.P.) was based on the amino acid profile of cottage cheese. That M.R.P. is still the most widely consumed M.R.P. today! Some of the early success of that M.R.P. was based on the results consumers received from high concentrations of L-glutamine (the original formula had SEVEN GRAMS of L-glutamine per serving!).

Seems to be a divergent "opinion" here.

[DarCSA]

Comes with your protein foods; ex meats and cheeses; other than that I see no need to supplement it. It comes in your daily protein shake if you take one anyway. Don't see any reason why people would spend more money on something they already have in their body naturally but hey there is always the person who sees the other side of the puzzle and will do it anyway.

[Sir Foxx]

IMO, glutamine peptides are the only way to go if at all. I have yet to find a free form amino that is better than a peptide. Other than that, the only thing I've ever noticed from glutamine is not getting sick, even during the most intense training.

[Judo Tom]

IMO, glutamine peptides are the only way to go if at all. I have yet to find a free form amino that is better than a peptide. Other than that, the only thing I've ever noticed from glutamine is not getting sick, even during the most intense training.

i only take glutamine if i am going to be working out 2x a day for a while then i feel it helps me perform/lift much better than when i am only working out once a day or 2x a day once in a while.. but when i am training hard 2x a day i can feel a difference but i also take like 60grams 15g pre/post/pre/post