powerfull vs Bulk 1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzo

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  1. powerfull vs Bulk 1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzo


    how/what are the differences/noticable effects,

    to simplify question

    which would you choose and why?

    thanks


  2. If just for sleep/GH i would go with the bulk 1-carboxy. If you are looking for strength and muscle i would go with powerfull. It is more that just 1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzol(3,4 diol).
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by itsrawb View Post
    how/what are the differences/noticable effects,

    to simplify question

    which would you choose and why?

    thanks

    why can't people just call it L-dopa like the rest of the world

    this crazy games with nomenclature are driving me nuts.

    just becuase you call an old mule by a new fancy name doesn't mean he is gonna pull your plow any faster

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    why can't people just call it L-dopa like the rest of the world

    this crazy games with nomenclature are driving me nuts.

    just becuase you call an old mule by a new fancy name doesn't mean he is gonna pull your plow any faster
    that's true dude, it's the dhea nomenclature "new ph's" that are driving me nuts though

  5. Quote Originally Posted by easymac View Post
    If just for sleep/GH i would go with the bulk 1-carboxy. If you are looking for strength and muscle i would go with powerfull. It is more that just 1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzol(3,4 diol).
    i'd go with the powerful and get both the strenght/muscle benefits and improved sleep benefits, it's simple really
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    i'd go with the powerful and get both the strenght/muscle benefits and improved sleep benefits, it's simple really
    i am a bit confused. the only thing other than l-dopa this powerful has is some plant sterols

    l-dopa actually f's up your sleep. gives you weird dreams. and the stuff certainly does not build muscle

    and i never heard of plant sterols doing much of anything.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i am a bit confused. the only thing other than l-dopa this powerful has is some plant sterols

    l-dopa actually f's up your sleep. gives you weird dreams. and the stuff certainly does not build muscle

    and i never heard of plant sterols doing much of anything.
    are you saying that the effects of powerful is Placebo?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    are you saying that the effects of powerful is Placebo?
    i have never taken it nor have known anyone that has taken it.

    i also do not trust internet testimonials as the internet is rife with fabricated anecdotal reports designed to promote products

    am i making accusations? no. i am simply speaking common sense and practicing due diligence

    with that said, i can only assess a supplement based on its ingredients and the science or lack thereof associated with those ingredients

  9. thanks for all the feedback

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i have never taken it nor have known anyone that has taken it.

    i also do not trust internet testimonials as the internet is rife with fabricated anecdotal reports designed to promote products

    am i making accusations? no. i am simply speaking common sense and practicing due diligence

    with that said, i can only assess a supplement based on its ingredients and the science or lack thereof associated with those ingredients


    i also do not trust internet testimonials, as well as magazine testimonials and promotional video testimonials

    cheers pat - keep up the stellar work dude

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i have never taken it nor have known anyone that has taken it.

    i also do not trust internet testimonials as the internet is rife with fabricated anecdotal reports designed to promote products

    am i making accusations? no. i am simply speaking common sense and practicing due diligence

    with that said, i can only assess a supplement based on its ingredients and the science or lack thereof associated with those ingredients
    well you should learn to trust some peoples comments esp those that dont respond and compare them to those that say they are superman etc etc.

    PAT send me products ill test em down the road and tell ya whats what. i dont hype things up. my all time best workouts were me all natural so far. building back up to that though cuz of injury and sickness in past

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i have never taken it nor have known anyone that has taken it.

    i also do not trust internet testimonials as the internet is rife with fabricated anecdotal reports designed to promote products

    am i making accusations? no. i am simply speaking common sense and practicing due diligence

    with that said, i can only assess a supplement based on its ingredients and the science or lack thereof associated with those ingredients
    if you havent tried it then where is argument coming from dude? have you got any pubmed to back up your case?
    im a big fan of powerfull and have used it many times and i think it does what it says it does. :clean:
    whats your backround in the gym arena to make you such an a authority to be running powerfull down?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i have never taken it nor have known anyone that has taken it.

    i also do not trust internet testimonials as the internet is rife with fabricated anecdotal reports designed to promote products

    am i making accusations? no. i am simply speaking common sense and practicing due diligence

    with that said, i can only assess a supplement based on its ingredients and the science or lack thereof associated with those ingredients
    if you havent tried it then where is argument coming from dude? have you got any pubmed to back up your case?
    im a big fan of powerfull and have used it many times and i think it does what it says it does. :clean:
    whats your backround in the gym arena to make you such an a authority to be running powerfull down?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i have never taken it nor have known anyone that has taken it.

    i also do not trust internet testimonials as the internet is rife with fabricated anecdotal reports designed to promote products

    am i making accusations? no. i am simply speaking common sense and practicing due diligence

    with that said, i can only assess a supplement based on its ingredients and the science or lack thereof associated with those ingredients
    if you havent tried it then where is argument coming from dude? have you got any pubmed to back up your case?
    im a big fan of powerfull and have used it many times and i think it does what it says it does. :clean:
    whats your backround in the gym arena to make you such an a authority to be running powerfull down?

  15. sorry about all the duplicate posts, was having trouble with computer
    cheers dudes

  16. Doesn't L-Dopa's anabolic pathway occur via increased GH secretion and enhanced testosterone release via a prolactin-inhibiting mechanism?
    Besides, as far as I recall, plant sterols, amongst others, significantly lower LDL cholesterols, implicated in coronary heart conditions.
    http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS01033.html

  17. ive used it and can vouch for increased libido at the very least. I thought L-dopa was also used for its GH releasing props not direct muscle-building.

    Id like to see you back up your statements with a little more then your say so PA. Im making mine off of experience with the product at least.

  18. the word I hate the most [which is just a big scam] ETIOALLOCHOLANE--alri is famous for using word in a lot of his supps

  19. Quote Originally Posted by vince spider View Post
    if you havent tried it then where is argument coming from dude? have you got any pubmed to back up your case?
    im a big fan of powerfull and have used it many times and i think it does what it says it does. :clean:
    whats your backround in the gym arena to make you such an a authority to be running powerfull down?

    this question is misguided on so many levels.

    answer-

    1) no, you are right. there are no studies in pubmed that prove that this supplement does not work. so i guess that is proof it does work

    2) i have no background. i am nobody. oh, and thanks for schooling me in scientific method

  20. Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Doesn't L-Dopa's anabolic pathway occur via increased GH secretion and enhanced testosterone release via a prolactin-inhibiting mechanism?
    Besides, as far as I recall, plant sterols, amongst others, significantly lower LDL cholesterols, implicated in coronary heart conditions.
    http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS01033.html

    this background science is true however there is nothing to indicate that either of these alone or together have much of any significance in the building muscle mass.

    L-dopa has been used by bodybuilders for years, originally it used to be an adjunct to GH use. I used it for a while. My friends did. it did nothing on its own

    plant sterols do not build muscle either. they are one of the oldest and cheapest scam ingredients in bodybuilding supplements.

    dude i am just speaking the truth here

  21. Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    ive used it and can vouch for increased libido at the very least. I thought L-dopa was also used for its GH releasing props not direct muscle-building.

    Id like to see you back up your statements with a little more then your say so PA. Im making mine off of experience with the product at least.
    tell me what i have to back up. be specific.

  22. So what about ALRI's Pro-Anabol where they 17a the ecdysterone ? Probably still ineffective then ?>

  23. I like this stuff purely for its sleep promoting effects - certianly makes me drop off more quickly.

    I found the original powerful gave me a little more endurance in the gym but I have not tried the new formulations.

    I am concerned about the long term use of L-Dopa on a daily basis however. Anybody any thoughts on that?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by 200wannabe View Post
    I like this stuff purely for its sleep promoting effects - certianly makes me drop off more quickly.

    I found the original powerful gave me a little more endurance in the gym but I have not tried the new formulations.

    I am concerned about the long term use of L-Dopa on a daily basis however. Anybody any thoughts on that?
    anything that messes with dopamine levels is somewhat risky...esp for people with some sort of mental disorder background or depression.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    tell me what i have to back up. be specific.
    how bout this statement? "and i never heard of plant sterols doing much of anything." are you saying they dont have benefiets in bodybuilding?

  26. I think Patrick was referencing specifically plant sterols in terms of 'muscle building.'


    plant extracts like cissus/ephedra/urtica dioca/l-dopa (I don't mess with that stuff) all have some benefit, but none of them build muscle directly.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX;
    I think Patrick was referencing specifically plant sterols in terms of 'muscle building.'
    His comment on plant sterols was very general. There was nothing in the comment that implied he referred to muscle-building properties only.

    Here is the comment once more: "and i never heard of plant sterols doing much of anything."

    This is what motivated me to recall plant-sterols' LDL cholesterol-lowering properties. I am not sure any one wanted to say plant sterols build muscles. Yet, they have benefits for athletes. Not every compound in a formula for body builders and other athletes should have anabolic properties. Some just do other nice things. Like plant sterols!

  28. Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    So what about ALRI's Pro-Anabol where they 17a the ecdysterone ? Probably still ineffective then ?>
    ecdysterone has some things suggesting a possible nitrogen retaining effect but nothing showing any clear benefits in athletes.

    its been around for a long time and reviews are mixed (not that reviews tell us that much). a controlled clinical would be nice

  29. Dammit......I was so close to finally ordering bulk Powerfull. I hate the fact that I'm so easily swayed by PA.....

    However, I do I have my own mind, and for the price its going for, it cant hurt...........alot.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by json75 View Post
    Dammit......I was so close to finally ordering bulk Powerfull. I hate the fact that I'm so easily swayed by PA.....

    However, I do I have my own mind, and for the price its going for, it cant hurt...........alot.

    you can try l-dopa for a while if you like, it is very cheap. it may give you a transient lift. i remember when i was taking it i thought i felt something at first but then it seemed it was doing nothing. and you should not take it for too long because it has potentially serious side effects

    i am curious about the claims that USP makes in their ads. they are saying that l-dopa does not pass the blood brain barrier but that is a complete contradicition because the very reason l-dopa was developed was to pass the blood brain barrier. the purpose was to increase dopamine levels in the brain (particularly a region called the substantia nigra) for the treatment of parkinsons disease. L-dopa could pass into the brain and then metabolize into dopamine afterwards - dopamine itself cannot pass the BBB

    to learn about l-dopa, the FACTS about l-dopa, all you have to do is check out the wikipedia entry. Levodopa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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