powerfull vs Bulk 1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzo
- 09-06-2007, 09:41 AM
- 09-06-2007, 09:45 AM
09-06-2007, 09:48 AM
09-06-2007, 09:49 AM
lots of things raise gh. amino acids, blood pressure medicine, fasting etc. etc.
these things don't equate into any muscle growth however.
as far as testosterone goes i did a literature search on l-dopa and testosterone levels and really could not find any specific data at all. I suppose the possibility exists that it could raise it in a very modest fashion like less than 50% and even that will probably only be transient. you are not gonna notice anything really from that
09-06-2007, 09:52 AM
and even if i do test it, and come to the conclusion that its the same do you think that is going to end this debate at all?
no, it will only make the debate more intense and aggravating
09-06-2007, 10:08 AM
if it is the same maybe people the people that know this wont buy it thinking its something else. I have three bottles i bought for like $10 each so im gonna use it regardless. I did notice a libido boost but that could just be dopamine increase??..
09-06-2007, 10:30 AM
libido increase is a listed side effect of l-dopa
yeah it has something to do with dopamine
cabergoline is a much safer dopaminergic agent that purportedly can raise testosterone and increase libido. you can get that through research chem houses. but once again, don't expect any noticeable anabolic effects
09-06-2007, 10:50 AM
09-06-2007, 10:54 AM
09-06-2007, 11:12 AM
09-06-2007, 11:37 AM
I will try to be civil but PA makes if real hard.
1-carboxy is our name for our extraction of L-dopa that contains natural decarboxlase inhibitors. Pat are you the only one with access to a lab and chemists? We are working directly with Universities and Biotech firms in India lead by men with Doctorates. It's cool that you sport a BA in chemistry and have alot of on the job experience. But Please stop feeding your ego as the smartest man in the indusrty it's becoming repulsive.
I'm begining to questions your High and mighty approach to degrading other companies products as worthless.
"It doesn't work unless Ergo Makes it"
09-06-2007, 11:49 AM
09-06-2007, 12:23 PM
Well, yes Pat, if I had a lab I'm sure I could come up with some more accurate testing methods than this...****!
Edit: Wow, you can't say dic*? What is this, ****ing church?
In my kitchen lab, I have access to a glucometer, and...a toaster. I'm already reasonably certain that neither of these compounds can make toast, so I'm going to go with the glucose testing.
As for USP's comment...interesting. It certainly feels different than L-Dopa + a Decarboxylase inhibitor, which I've used many times.
And I agree with Patrick on this one, I'd be surprised if L-Dopa + a Decarboxylase inhibitor did much for building muscle. I haven't noticed anything in the past from that combo. Transient spikes in GH/Test certainly don't automatically equate to more muscle/less fat...there's so much more to it than that.
But, I've never considered taking it for that purpose. I use it for the central dopamine effects on motivation/drive/focus/libido, etc. I bought the 1-Carboxy for the above purposes + enhanced sleep efficiency, which it seems to be doing a great job of. And, at $18 for 100g, its not exactly breaking the bank.
It seems to me like this product might be mis-marketed...but I'm sure there's more money to be made in selling to people with hopes of building muscle and losing body fat than there is selling the idea of increased motivation and sleep efficiency.
09-06-2007, 01:59 PM
"But, we totally skipped the L-Dopa part and discovered a brand new compound thatís closely related and is readily available for the body to use"
so at first it was a brand new compound. then i called your ass on it so you switched your story to some crazy extraction technique with natural decarboxylase inhibitors.
well what are these natural decarboxylase inhibitors?
who are these universities and biotech firms in india.
i cannot believe that people here buy your BS. but they do apparently
09-06-2007, 02:04 PM
09-06-2007, 02:05 PM
09-06-2007, 02:12 PM
09-06-2007, 02:25 PM
09-06-2007, 02:26 PM
these statements completely miss the point. rarely do my criticisms of competitors have anything to do with a product "per se". in fact, often the product is something i think is useful and i will say so in my posts alot of times
Jungle Warfare (6-dehydromethyltest)
with all three products (which have been involved in recent debates of mine) i have gone on the record as saying they are useful ingredients that apparently have ergogenic benefits.
the REAL POINT of my criticisms jacob is false and misleading claims. that is where i attack competitors, and i attack because it is unfair business practice to lie like that. For years i have taken the high ground in my advertisements and marketing and maintained a very modest and honest approach. I hate watching others make all this money the easy way, the way its always been done in this industry. I hate it so much i wanna puke every time i open up a mag or see some disgusting hype filled thread
09-06-2007, 02:28 PM
do they mean 100mg taken in one day versus l-dopa taken that day?
do they mean the average levels (area under the curve) from 100mg intramuscularly every week versus one week of daily doses of l-dopa?
just another example of meaningless marketing hyperbole
09-06-2007, 02:47 PM
09-06-2007, 02:51 PM
09-06-2007, 02:57 PM
Just for the record, i have taken powerfull and i enjoyed it so i have no beef with the product just with the advertising.
09-06-2007, 02:59 PM
Why do I have a feeling this thread is going to get closed.
09-06-2007, 03:05 PM
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