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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    People on TRT take over twice that amount. I think it's just a fancy way of saying "it will increase your testosterone levels by 50%". If that would be more quantifiable for ya.
    Sure, but their claims are vague. You take powerfull everyday while TRT is typically once a week. Are they saying taking powerfull everyday is similar to 100mgs of test suspension everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easymac View Post
    Sure, but their claims are vague. You take powerfull everyday while TRT is typically once a week. Are they saying taking powerfull everyday is similar to 100mgs of test suspension everyday.
    No, their info is too vague to say that. Not to mention that would ultimately mean that this is more powerful than a beginner's cycle of injectable testosterone (500mg/week) which is way too strong of a statement for anyone to be making. You are making the assumption that it is similar to injecting 100mg every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    No, their info is too vague to say that. Not to mention that would ultimately mean that this is more powerful than a beginner's cycle of injectable testosterone (500mg/week) which is way too strong of a statement for anyone to be making. You are making the assumption that it is similar to injecting 100mg every day.
    haha, yeah that is way more than most people would need. The question was rhetorical, i know it is not simlar to ed injections. I was just saying that the statement was very vague and could be misinterpreted. The claims are still pretty bold with no proof that it is even true.
    Just for the record, i have taken powerfull and i enjoyed it so i have no beef with the product just with the advertising.
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    my thread turned out pretty informative huh..
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Just because something increases HGH and Test levels doesn't mean it's going build muslce. You also have to take into account how it increases them as well. You're making assumptions as to how this product works. I'm not trying to knock USP or promote PA by saying any of this, but we can't simply take data on hormone levels and say that for sure makes something anabolic. That's not how the scientific method works.
    at the end of the day regardless of whatever supps are used or whatever chems like test or gh etc are injected or ingested nothing builds muscle better than lifting weights with great nutrition and adequate rest

    way too many people think that the answer to building muscle lies first and foremost in pill form or in a syringe!
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    at the end of the day regardless of whatever supps are used or whatever chems like test or gh etc are injected or ingested nothing builds muscle better than lifting weights with great nutrition and adequate rest

    way too many people think that the answer to building muscle lies first and foremost in pill form or in a syringe!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    these statements completely miss the point. rarely do my criticisms of competitors have anything to do with a product "per se". in fact, often the product is something i think is useful and i will say so in my posts alot of times

    examples:

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    with all three products (which have been involved in recent debates of mine) i have gone on the record as saying they are useful ingredients that apparently have ergogenic benefits.

    the REAL POINT of my criticisms jacob is false and misleading claims. that is where i attack competitors, and i attack because it is unfair business practice to lie like that. For years i have taken the high ground in my advertisements and marketing and maintained a very modest and honest approach. I hate watching others make all this money the easy way, the way its always been done in this industry. I hate it so much i wanna puke every time i open up a mag or see some disgusting hype filled thread
    How much data behind 11-oxo? Pretty hefty claims in the lengthy write up. Your write ups are theoretical, but you have to work with what you got.

    There is strong in VIVO evidence that synthetic L-dopa increases HGH 220%. A significant increase regardless on your opinion. We believe that our extract is better than synthetic and free of side effects. If we correlate data with injectable HGH, 3iu increases HGH to similiar levels. The l-dopa has a much shorter half life but for 120 minutes you get a significant increase.

    I find faulty logic that if PA believe its BS than it must be BS. You are a smart man but you are not the end all say all in the industry.

    I would like your permission to release our Cissus test results from Giant Nutrition.
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    No, their info is too vague to say that. Not to mention that would ultimately mean that this is more powerful than a beginner's cycle of injectable testosterone (500mg/week) which is way too strong of a statement for anyone to be making. You are making the assumption that it is similar to injecting 100mg every day.
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    that's what I figured. Of course, when 'these kind of threads' come about, people start picking appart every little detail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs View Post
    How much data behind 11-oxo? Pretty hefty claims in the lengthy write up. Your write ups are theoretical, but you have to work with what you got.

    There is strong in VIVO evidence that synthetic L-dopa increases HGH 220%. A significant increase regardless on your opinion. We believe that our extract is better than synthetic and free of side effects. If we correlate data with injectable HGH, 3iu increases HGH to similiar levels. The l-dopa has a much shorter half life but for 120 minutes you get a significant increase.

    I find faulty logic that if PA believe its BS than it must be BS. You are a smart man but you are not the end all say all in the industry.

    I would like your permission to release our Cissus test results from Giant Nutrition.

    HGH increase from amino acids or from clonidine or from alpha-GPC or from hypoglycemia etc. means nothing unless there is a corresponding increase in IGF-1. Very often things can give GH spikes but you end up seeing no end physiological effects because this spike does not go on to cause a subsequent IGF-1 boost.

    This is why GH releasers are a failed class of bodybuilding supplements. 220% GH spike that is back to baseline in 120 minutes followed by no IGF-1 increase equals no benefits. Show me the data for IGF-1 increase and then perhaps you will have my ear.

    YOu will not release any tests on my products to the public before you release them to us privately and we have a chance to review them. If you do then you will have a lawsuit on your hands that you will regret.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs View Post
    How much data behind 11-oxo? Pretty hefty claims in the lengthy write up. Your write ups are theoretical, but you have to work with what you got.
    .

    nothing in my write up is a lie or misleading or lacks scientific justification. I write that stuff with alot of thought and alot of care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs View Post
    There is strong in VIVO evidence that synthetic L-dopa increases HGH 220%. A significant increase regardless on your opinion. We believe that our extract is better than synthetic and free of side effects. If we correlate data with injectable HGH, 3iu increases HGH to similiar levels. .
    explain how you reach this correlation

    the facts as i know it are

    1) a 20 year secretes 700mcg a day or so

    2) 3iu GH is a little over 1000mcg

    sorry but the amount of GH secreted during a 220% increase over baseline for 120 minutes does not come anywhere near 1000mcg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    explain how you reach this correlation

    the facts as i know it are

    1) a 20 year secretes 700mcg a day or so

    2) 3iu GH is a little over 1000mcg

    sorry but the amount of GH secreted during a 220% increase over baseline for 120 minutes does not come anywhere near 1000mcg.

    you are pulling facts out of your ass again. why no one ever calls you on this stuff i dunno
    It's just a guess, but I would think something like this:
    700mcg/12 = 58.3mcg per 120 minutes

    1000mcg/12 = 83.3mcg per 120 minutes

    58.3mcg+58.3mcg(2.20) = 186.56mcg per 120 minutes

    186.56mcg*3 + 58.3*9 = 1084.38mcg
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsrawb View Post
    my thread turned out pretty informative huh..
    very informative and this is one of the few threads I've read on AM recently where no farm animals were sexually assualted
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    It's just a guess, but I would think something like this:
    700mcg/12 = 58.3mcg per 120 minutes

    1000mcg/12 = 83.3mcg per 120 minutes

    58.3mcg+58.3mcg(2.20) = 186.56mcg per 120 minutes

    186.56mcg*3 + 58.3*9 = 1084.38mcg

    i don't understand what you are doing here at all.

    it is very simple. he is saying that the extra gh you get when you take a dose of L-dopa is equivalent to 3iu.

    that is one dose. not one dose times 12 or whatever you are doing here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i don't understand what you are doing here at all.

    it is very simple. he is saying that the extra gh you get when you take a dose of L-dopa is equivalent to 3iu.

    that is one dose. not one dose times 12 or whatever you are doing here

    why do i sound so angry in my posts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i don't understand what you are doing here at all.

    it is very simple. he is saying that the extra gh you get when you take a dose of L-dopa is equivalent to 3iu.

    that is one dose. not one dose times 12 or whatever you are doing here
    You see, I was thinking he meant that by taking at the recommended dose, the additional boost + your baseline hgh levels would equate to 3iu of injectable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    why do i sound so angry in my posts?
    you do come off really grouchy in a lot of your posts. You're not thinking about bunnies, flowers, and balloons enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    why do i sound so angry in my posts?
    because you are a very angry angry man...


    maybe its because you end everything so abruptly. maybe not.
    i dont ****ing know man.
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    very informative and this is one of the few threads I've read on AM recently where no farm animals were sexually assualted
    not yet..
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    nothing in my write up is a lie or misleading or lacks scientific justification. I write that stuff with alot of thought and alot of care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    why do i sound so angry in my posts?
    maybe you've developed some new chemical compound that makes you that way, Dr David Banner sound familar?
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    11oxo does make some big claims and from what ive seen from feedback doesnt seem like anything special
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsrawb View Post
    because you are a very angry angry man...


    maybe its because you end everything so abruptly. maybe not.
    i dont ****ing know man.

    i am a nice person, really
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    11oxo does make some big claims and from what ive seen from feedback doesnt seem like anything special
    damn good feedback on the stuff actually
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