Natural test boosting, how to do it.
- 08-31-2007, 11:18 AM
Natural test boosting, how to do it.
*If you really want to boost your test the best combo is my ReaperX stack:
6-OXO: 6 caps/ED (180 caps total)
ActivaTe: 6 caps/ED (120 caps total)
Diesel Test 2010: 5 tablets/ED (120 caps total)
I don't know about 6-OXO extreme or Activate extreme, but just use the old version and try it out. It'll add atleast 5-7lbs. I've seen 5 of my friends try this set-up with those gains and I have another currently using this stack as well. I'm not going to guarantee those gains, but they seem to be extremely consistant.
I have yet to see a more effective NATURAL combo put on weight consistantly like the one above.
works towards stimulating LH which in turn increases the production of testosterone. HOWEVER, guess what also does this ?
Alcohol. When you drink alcohol your LH increases making you 'horny'. However the LH fails to raise the test. This is the way your body naturally tries to address the drop in your testosterone when you get drunk. Tribulus works the same way. Many trib based products do not work solely on protodiocin or just trib alone. It takes a combination of natural herbal ingredients, in addition to, other ingredients to create a synergestic effect upon the body.
There is a relationship between the LH and actual testosterone that I don't understand. From what I know the body is ineffective at just stimulating LH to increase test. so that's my guess why trib is too. like I said, I'm not sure.
So what does this mean ? Taking tribulus alone won't do anything. You need tribulus+other ingredients to get the effect you want.
*FYI, no its not going to give you Anadrol+Superdrol+M1T, or whatever steroid gains, but it is completely natural and you skip the liver toxicity/post cycle therapy not to mention they are keepable. If you want something stronger than what is listed above, take gear.
p.s. Due to my reasoning behind this, I've hypothesized that drinking alcohol would help stimulate someone who has been shutdown by gear/PS/PH to get the HPTA back to normal size, due to the LH secretion. I'm not saying that I am correct, this is just a theory I have. However, I have yet to see anyone try it out.
- 08-31-2007, 11:44 AM
- 08-31-2007, 11:47 AM
08-31-2007, 11:48 AM
Looks pretty good, I may run that stack in the future for evaluation purposes.
Im currently logging + + Activate Extreme.
Next stack will be HP Reservatrol + DHEA + Cissus all from GIANT.
I may try your stack afterwards.
08-31-2007, 11:48 AM
Activate, trans formestane, and mega dose BCAAs would be better, add more LBM, slash some fat, and be less expensive.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
08-31-2007, 11:54 AM
08-31-2007, 11:55 AM
08-31-2007, 11:56 AM
08-31-2007, 11:58 AM
I'm not sure about formestane or how effective that works an an AI, etc,etc.
Novadex XT aka ATD crushes your estrogen, so you are left with dry joints and zero libido.
6-OXO had been around for a while now and is more mild. It is my optimal AI of choice in this stack.
08-31-2007, 11:59 AM
08-31-2007, 12:06 PM
08-31-2007, 12:10 PM
Ok great. Thanks for the info. I'm just trying to give people who are looking to try something new. I'm not a rep for ErgoPharm, Designer Supplements, or Diesel Test. I'm just stating what I've seen that works ok ?
If you want to use formestane then go ahead and start a new thread on it. If you don't want to try my stack then don't. I really don't care. Stop hijacking the thread.
08-31-2007, 12:19 PM
08-31-2007, 12:35 PM
Ok anyways, if anyone tries it out, let me know and log it.
I was going to use the 2 boxes of halo that I got, but I think I going to do this instead and log it after diesel test hardcore. Depends on how diesel test hardcore goes, I'm looking at possibly replacing it with diesel test 2010. We'll see.
Diesel Test 2010 5 tablets/ED (or Diesel Test Hardcore depending on my results).
peace,love, and prosperity
08-31-2007, 01:03 PM
looks real solid!
I'm actually gonna try this very same plan as soon as I feel like i've recovered from my pct.
08-31-2007, 01:19 PM
08-31-2007, 01:27 PM
Why you wouldn't use the 3 latest incarnations of these products?
Diesel Test Hardcore
08-31-2007, 01:33 PM
I've actually read some negative data regarding I-3-C used in ActivaTe Xtreme. Personally I feel that DIM needs to be used not I-3-C. I digress and I'm not going to debate that.
Just because something is new dosen't necessarly mean it is better. Since I have not tried the new versions yet, that is why I do not recommend them.
I don't intend on trying the 6-OXO Extreme, or ActivaTe Extreme. I am quite satisfied with the original versions of these 2 products. I am doing a log on the Diesel Test Hardcore as of now.
08-31-2007, 01:36 PM
The only other thing I MIGHT recommend is ecdysterone for its alleged increase in protein synthesis/muscle hardening effects.
Personally, I have not had any significant effects from ecdysterone myself, but for anyone else who has that might not be a bad idea here.
08-31-2007, 01:40 PM
08-31-2007, 01:47 PM
Do a search on I3C and DIM. You'll see the effective differences and information on them.
Diesel Test 2010 and Hardcore both contain high quality DIM which is more of a reason not to have to use activate xtreme for my stack.
08-31-2007, 01:54 PM
08-31-2007, 01:56 PM
08-31-2007, 01:58 PM
drinking kills my sex drive, im never horny when i drink and i cant even function..
in the morning tho, its crazy
dunno wtf is up
08-31-2007, 02:01 PM
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08-31-2007, 02:01 PM
I'm not sure about Pro-Anabol b/c if it does help increase absorption then you won't have to use as much. I'd like to try it eventually and see.
So yeah, I can't speak too much on it, I've only tried E-Bol @ 6caps/ED and it did help a BIT (not a lot) with muscular hardness, but I believe I was getting well below the dose I should have been getting.
08-31-2007, 02:04 PM
There's eventually some threshold with the alcohol. Even with me after I drink too much I couldn't get it hard for the life of me. My guess would be if you drank in excessive (like blackout drunk) your testosterone would be so low, that once all the alcohol is metabolized out (dose depending and could be several hours),the lowered testosterone equilibrates....giving you that sudden drive.. I don't really know the specifics and why each certain thing happens the way it does. This is all speculation on my behalf.
08-31-2007, 02:25 PM
08-31-2007, 02:45 PM
ReaperX....I'm with you on the increase in LH after, or during drinking. When I did drink (3years sober btw) the next morning I looked like a godamn werewolf....not to mention an uncontrollable urge to rape my wife-who would be semi conscious, and oddly willing?
Anyhow I remember investigating this, and I think what happens is alcohol increases estrogen while your body tries to right this by icreasing your LH.....However I investigated this when I was a pretty bad drinker, so who knows if I remember this correctly at all.
08-31-2007, 03:00 PM
Alright so what does drinking alcohol do ? It lowers testosterone and increases estrogen. The LH is then produced. Keynote: NATURAL LH, not HCG which mimics LH.
So what does this all mean ? If you dose HCG wrong, too long, whatever you are right back to where you started (supressed HPTA). Once again, HCG ISN'T LH, it mimics it.
Why not take advantage of the increase in LH from alcohol to get the HPTA started vs. using HCG ? The LH secretion from alcohol will be natural. Yes, there is also an increase in estrogen, yes there is a decrease in protein synthesis, yeah blah blah blah...of course there is negative side effects of alcohol in general. I never said it was side-effect free did I ?
What I was getting at was the potential to use the effect of alcohol to secrete LH after a heavy steroid cycle to restore the HPTA.
08-31-2007, 03:07 PM
08-31-2007, 03:09 PM
08-31-2007, 03:21 PM
08-31-2007, 03:27 PM
Ok I was not belittling Rodja. He brought up formestane which is another AI. I misunderstood what the mention of formestane was and I appriciate the additional input. I have a pet peeve about things straying off topic. Many, many, many times when I see a thread started, it gets hijacked or the topic gets deviated within the 1st page....
Once again, I did not mean any ill-will towards Rodja, I just misunderstood his mentioning for formestane. I'll rep him to show there is no hostility.
08-31-2007, 03:31 PM
Do NOT take advice from others because their "friends have had good results." This is how people get hurt. Only take advice from those who have real experience and real knowledge, not rep points. The longer you are here, the easier it will be to pick out who the vets are.
If you are looking to start a cycle, please, please, please do not drink alcohol during your cycle or as a part of your post cycle therapy in an attempt to recover HPTA balance. Alcohol has no place in a potentially harmful steroid cycle ... EVER. If you would like to learn about proper hormone recovery, please visit the steroid related sections of this forum. There is a world of real knowledge and real experience here. Researching is like bodybuilding, it takes time and patience.
08-31-2007, 03:33 PM
Alright man. You should try out TD Form tho... Within a few weeks, you will start to see veins on your body that you have never seen before. You mentioned that you're thinking of running this stack in the future; just swap the 6oxo for TD Form when you give it another run. You will be thanking us later.
Your stack looks well thought out tho.
08-31-2007, 03:34 PM
08-31-2007, 03:37 PM
08-31-2007, 03:46 PM
I don't know how effective using potent tribulus is at helping restart the HPTA but essentially the same thing applies here.....except with the negative effects of alcohol.
I also too don't know what happens to the estrogen levels in terms of its effect from Tribulus.
08-31-2007, 03:48 PM
My problem with your statements is that you are doing an "on paper" approach to your recommendations. Many things look good on paper, but end up being horrible failures.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
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