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    Natural test boosting, how to do it.


    *If you really want to boost your test the best combo is my ReaperX stack:

    6-OXO: 6 caps/ED (180 caps total)
    ActivaTe: 6 caps/ED (120 caps total)
    Diesel Test 2010: 5 tablets/ED (120 caps total)



    I don't know about 6-OXO extreme or Activate extreme, but just use the old version and try it out. It'll add atleast 5-7lbs. I've seen 5 of my friends try this set-up with those gains and I have another currently using this stack as well. I'm not going to guarantee those gains, but they seem to be extremely consistant.



    I have yet to see a more effective NATURAL combo put on weight consistantly like the one above.


    Tribulus works towards stimulating LH which in turn increases the production of testosterone. HOWEVER, guess what also does this ?

    Alcohol. When you drink alcohol your LH increases making you 'horny'. However the LH fails to raise the test. This is the way your body naturally tries to address the drop in your testosterone when you get drunk. Tribulus works the same way. Many trib based products do not work solely on protodiocin or just trib alone. It takes a combination of natural herbal ingredients, in addition to, other ingredients to create a synergestic effect upon the body.

    There is a relationship between the LH and actual testosterone that I don't understand. From what I know the body is ineffective at just stimulating LH to increase test. so that's my guess why trib is too. like I said, I'm not sure.

    So what does this mean ? Taking tribulus alone won't do anything. You need tribulus+other ingredients to get the effect you want.

    *FYI, no its not going to give you Anadrol+Superdrol+M1T, or whatever steroid gains, but it is completely natural and you skip the liver toxicity/post cycle therapy not to mention they are keepable. If you want something stronger than what is listed above, take gear.


    p.s. Due to my reasoning behind this, I've hypothesized that drinking alcohol would help stimulate someone who has been shutdown by gear/PS/PH to get the HPTA back to normal size, due to the LH secretion. I'm not saying that I am correct, this is just a theory I have. However, I have yet to see anyone try it out.

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    Interesting. I might try this in the future. Good post.
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    Alcohol also raises estrogen...
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    Looks pretty good, I may run that stack in the future for evaluation purposes.

    Im currently logging RPM + T-Force + Activate Extreme.
    Next stack will be HP Reservatrol + DHEA + Cissus all from GIANT.

    I may try your stack afterwards.
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    Activate, trans formestane, and mega dose BCAAs would be better, add more LBM, slash some fat, and be less expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Activate, trans formestane, and mega dose BCAAs would be better, add more LBM, slash some fat, and be less expensive.
    BCAAs may be good for using this on a cut, esp. in the area of catabolism, but they've all used it for bulking, so I've had them does protein accordingly instead. Good point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJC View Post
    Alcohol also raises estrogen...
    Yeah, but then again you are using a SERM so what's the problem ?

    I was talking about alcohol specifically for re-starting HPTA testicular function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    Yeah, but then again you are using a SERM so what's the problem ?

    I was talking about alcohol specifically for re-starting HPTA testicular function.
    Wrong again, 6-OXO is an AI, not a SERM.
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    I'm not sure about formestane or how effective that works an an AI, etc,etc.

    Novadex XT aka ATD crushes your estrogen, so you are left with dry joints and zero libido.


    6-OXO had been around for a while now and is more mild. It is my optimal AI of choice in this stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Wrong again, 6-OXO is an AI, not a SERM.
    Rodja-

    Read my post. At the very bottom I theorized alcohol in regards to gear/PS/PH which would be used in conjunction with a SERM, not my stack buddy.


    If you have HPTA atrophy with 6-oxo,activate, and diesel test then you have problems. period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    I'm not sure about formestane or how effective that works an an AI, etc,etc.

    Novadex XT aka ATD crushes your estrogen, so you are left with dry joints and zero libido.


    6-OXO had been around for a while now and is more mild. It is my optimal AI of choice in this stack.
    If you haven't tried formestane, which has appeared before the '05 ban, then you wouldn't understand how effective it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    If you haven't tried formestane, which has appeared before the '05 ban, then you wouldn't understand how effective it is.
    Rodja-


    Ok great. Thanks for the info. I'm just trying to give people who are looking to try something new. I'm not a rep for ErgoPharm, Designer Supplements, or Diesel Test. I'm just stating what I've seen that works ok ?

    If you want to use formestane then go ahead and start a new thread on it. If you don't want to try my stack then don't. I really don't care. Stop hijacking the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
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    Ok great. Thanks for the info. I'm just trying to give people who are looking to try something new. I'm not a rep for ErgoPharm, Designer Supplements, or Diesel Test. I'm just stating what I've seen that works ok ?

    If you want to use formestane then go ahead and start a new thread on it. If you don't want to try my stack then don't. I really don't care. Stop hijacking the thread.
    When did offering other options to a stack become hijacking a thread? There are enough threads on formestane as it is, so there is no need to clutter the board with info that has been posted several times.
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    Ok anyways, if anyone tries it out, let me know and log it.

    I was going to use the 2 boxes of halo that I got, but I think I going to do this instead and log it after diesel test hardcore. Depends on how diesel test hardcore goes, I'm looking at possibly replacing it with diesel test 2010. We'll see.

    So yeah.

    6-oxo (600mg)/ED
    ActivaTe(2.4g)/ED
    Diesel Test 2010 5 tablets/ED (or Diesel Test Hardcore depending on my results).

    peace,love, and prosperity

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    looks real solid!

    I'm actually gonna try this very same plan as soon as I feel like i've recovered from my pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by json75 View Post
    looks real solid!

    I'm actually gonna try this very same plan as soon as I feel like i've recovered from my post cycle therapy.
    Its worked well for my buddies and I'm looking to run it later on this year making some slight adjustments. I'm just passing along good info.
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    Why you wouldn't use the 3 latest incarnations of these products?
    6-oxo Extreme
    ActivaTe Extreme
    Diesel Test Hardcore
    Just curious...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImJ2x View Post
    Why you wouldn't use the 3 latest incarnations of these products?
    6-oxo Extreme
    ActivaTe Extreme
    Diesel Test Hardcore
    Just curious...
    I have not tried the 'reformulated' versions of 6-oxo,diesel test, and activate.

    I've actually read some negative data regarding I-3-C used in ActivaTe Xtreme. Personally I feel that DIM needs to be used not I-3-C. I digress and I'm not going to debate that.

    Just because something is new dosen't necessarly mean it is better. Since I have not tried the new versions yet, that is why I do not recommend them.

    I don't intend on trying the 6-OXO Extreme, or ActivaTe Extreme. I am quite satisfied with the original versions of these 2 products. I am doing a log on the Diesel Test Hardcore as of now.
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    The only other thing I MIGHT recommend is ecdysterone for its alleged increase in protein synthesis/muscle hardening effects.

    Personally, I have not had any significant effects from ecdysterone myself, but for anyone else who has that might not be a bad idea here.
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    im interested in wat reading u read that was negative of I-3-C
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    Do a search on I3C and DIM. You'll see the effective differences and information on them.

    Diesel Test 2010 and Hardcore both contain high quality DIM which is more of a reason not to have to use activate xtreme for my stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    The only other thing I MIGHT recommend is ecdysterone for its alleged increase in protein synthesis/muscle hardening effects.

    Personally, I have not had any significant effects from ecdysterone myself, but for anyone else who has that might not be a bad idea here.
    Maybe ALRI's Pro-Anabol (ecdysterone)?
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    alrite thanx ill run a search
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    drinking kills my sex drive, im never horny when i drink and i cant even function..

    in the morning tho, its crazy

    dunno wtf is up
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImJ2x View Post
    Maybe ALRI's Pro-Anabol (ecdysterone)?
    I've noticed that product and how they modified it so there's a better absorption. Ecdysterone itself is poorly absorbed so high amounts have to be taken in order for it to be effective. Thermolife's E-bol was only giving me 240mg of ecdysterone @ 6caps/ED when in reality I think the dosing of ecdysterone should be 300mg-500mg/ED.


    I'm not sure about Pro-Anabol b/c if it does help increase absorption then you won't have to use as much. I'd like to try it eventually and see.


    So yeah, I can't speak too much on it, I've only tried E-Bol @ 6caps/ED and it did help a BIT (not a lot) with muscular hardness, but I believe I was getting well below the dose I should have been getting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    drinking kills my sex drive, im never horny when i drink and i cant even function..

    in the morning tho, its crazy

    dunno wtf is up

    There's eventually some threshold with the alcohol. Even with me after I drink too much I couldn't get it hard for the life of me. My guess would be if you drank in excessive (like blackout drunk) your testosterone would be so low, that once all the alcohol is metabolized out (dose depending and could be several hours),the lowered testosterone equilibrates....giving you that sudden drive.. I don't really know the specifics and why each certain thing happens the way it does. This is all speculation on my behalf.
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    Is what a joke ?
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    ReaperX....I'm with you on the increase in LH after, or during drinking. When I did drink (3years sober btw) the next morning I looked like a godamn werewolf....not to mention an uncontrollable urge to rape my wife-who would be semi conscious, and oddly willing?

    Anyhow I remember investigating this, and I think what happens is alcohol increases estrogen while your body tries to right this by icreasing your LH.....However I investigated this when I was a pretty bad drinker, so who knows if I remember this correctly at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by json75 View Post
    ReaperX....I'm with you on the increase in LH after, or during drinking. When I did drink (3years sober btw) the next morning I looked like a godamn werewolf....not to mention an uncontrollable urge to rape my wife-who would be semi conscious, and oddly willing?

    Anyhow I remember investigating this, and I think what happens is alcohol increases estrogen while your body tries to right this by icreasing your LH.....However I investigated this when I was a pretty bad drinker, so who knows if I remember this correctly at all.
    Ok, what does HCG do ? It mimics LH which is used to restart the HPTA testicular function right ? Well, when HCG is used in excess, HCG will eventually be supressive of the natural body's LH. LH is not the first step in the chain of command, instead its manufactured in the pituitary under the response of Gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) which is secreted from the hypothalamus. And since an LH mimicking agent is supplied exogenously, the negative feedback signal to the hypothalamus will still tell it to stop making GnRH, and so no natural LH is produced.

    Alright so what does drinking alcohol do ? It lowers testosterone and increases estrogen. The LH is then produced. Keynote: NATURAL LH, not HCG which mimics LH.

    So what does this all mean ? If you dose HCG wrong, too long, whatever you are right back to where you started (supressed HPTA). Once again, HCG ISN'T LH, it mimics it.

    Why not take advantage of the increase in LH from alcohol to get the HPTA started vs. using HCG ? The LH secretion from alcohol will be natural. Yes, there is also an increase in estrogen, yes there is a decrease in protein synthesis, yeah blah blah blah...of course there is negative side effects of alcohol in general. I never said it was side-effect free did I ?


    What I was getting at was the potential to use the effect of alcohol to secrete LH after a heavy steroid cycle to restore the HPTA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    If you want to use formestane then go ahead and start a new thread on it. If you don't want to try my stack then don't. I really don't care. Stop hijacking the thread.
    Get over yourself already. Oh wait, you'd probably have to stop taking glamour shots of yourself in the mirror before you can do that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJC View Post
    Get over yourself already. Oh wait, you'd probably have to stop taking glamour shots of yourself in the mirror before you can do that...
    Nah, I think I'm alright, but thanks for the suggestion. Comments like this one are absolutely useless and provide no information, so please don't post irrelavent information. kk thnx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    Nah, I think I'm alright, but thanks for the suggestion. Comments like this one are absolutely useless and provide no information, so please don't post irrelavent information. kk thnx.
    This is exactly what I'm talking about buddy. Come back to reality. You are no better than any other man. Rodja has been here a long time and knows plenty, he was simply offering his more extensive knowledge and experience. A little lesson in humility will do you well in the long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJC View Post
    This is exactly what I'm talking about buddy. Come back to reality. You are no better than any other man. Rodja has been here a long time and knows plenty, he was simply offering his more extensive knowledge and experience. A little lesson in humility will do you well in the long run.

    Ok I was not belittling Rodja. He brought up formestane which is another AI. I misunderstood what the mention of formestane was and I appriciate the additional input. I have a pet peeve about things straying off topic. Many, many, many times when I see a thread started, it gets hijacked or the topic gets deviated within the 1st page....

    Once again, I did not mean any ill-will towards Rodja, I just misunderstood his mentioning for formestane. I'll rep him to show there is no hostility.
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    Do NOT take advice from others because their "friends have had good results." This is how people get hurt. Only take advice from those who have real experience and real knowledge, not rep points. The longer you are here, the easier it will be to pick out who the vets are.

    If you are looking to start a cycle, please, please, please do not drink alcohol during your cycle or as a part of your post cycle therapy in an attempt to recover HPTA balance. Alcohol has no place in a potentially harmful steroid cycle ... EVER. If you would like to learn about proper hormone recovery, please visit the steroid related sections of this forum. There is a world of real knowledge and real experience here. Researching is like bodybuilding, it takes time and patience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    Ok I was not belittling Rodja. He brought up formestane which is another AI. I misunderstood what the mention of formestane was and I appriciate the additional input. I have a pet peeve about things straying off topic. Many, many, many times when I see a thread started, it gets hijacked or the topic gets deviated within the 1st page....

    Once again, I did not mean any ill-will towards Rodja, I just misunderstood his mentioning for formestane. I'll rep him to show there is no hostility.
    Oh reps...

    Alright man. You should try out TD Form tho... Within a few weeks, you will start to see veins on your body that you have never seen before. You mentioned that you're thinking of running this stack in the future; just swap the 6oxo for TD Form when you give it another run. You will be thanking us later.

    Your stack looks well thought out tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dethklok View Post
    Do NOT take advice from others because their "friends have had good results." This is how people get hurt. Only take advice from those who have real experience and real knowledge, not rep points. The longer you are here, the easier it will be to pick out who the vets are.

    If you looking to start a cycle, please, please, please do not drink alcohol during your cycle or as a part of your post cycle therapy in an attempt to recover HPTA balance. Alcohol has no place in a potentially harmful steroid cycle ... EVER. If you would like to learn about proper hormone recovery, please visit the steroid related sections of this forum. There is a world of real knowledge and real experience here. Researching is like bodybuilding, it takes time and patience.
    It was just an interesting theory based on some knowledge. I was just wanting to share that with people. Is that not allowed ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    It was just a interesting theory based on some knowledge. I was just wanting to share that with people. Is that not allowed ?
    I'm not trying to be an ass again, but, it is allowed. It's just misleading to those that don't know any better.

    Just because we know not to drink on/after a cycle, doesn't mean someone else doesn't. [Interesting theory tho ]
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    I don't know how effective using potent tribulus is at helping restart the HPTA but essentially the same thing applies here.....except with the negative effects of alcohol.

    I also too don't know what happens to the estrogen levels in terms of its effect from Tribulus.
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    My problem with your statements is that you are doing an "on paper" approach to your recommendations. Many things look good on paper, but end up being horrible failures.
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