Test goes WAY DOWN after stopping Trib and Test boosters?

  1. Test goes WAY DOWN after stopping Trib and Test boosters?


    Do the gains that one gets from Test boosters such as Tribulus based products and/or ZMA go away if one discontinues the use of such products?

    Furthermore, would one's testosterone levels dip down even below where they were before one started taking those supplements, kind of like they do when one goes off of steroids and the like? Or not really?

    If anyone has any info in this respect, please do share it?


  2. There's no negative feedback associated with natural test boosters like Trib and ZMA because they are not adding exogenous test to your system. They simply optimize your endogenous test, thus causing no shutdown of natural testosterone production.

  3. It's debatable that Trib raises test at all. ZMA merely gets rid of a zinc and magnesium deficient state so it only "boosts" your test levels to their norm.

    All in all..there's no need to worry about a crash or anything like that.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    It's debatable that Trib raises test at all. ZMA merely gets rid of a zinc and magnesium deficient state so it only "boosts" your test levels to their norm.

    All in all..there's no need to worry about a crash or anything like that.
    Let me see if I got this:

    1) ZMA mere gets rid of deficiencies and, as such, if one does not have Zinc or Magnesium deficiences, one really wouldn't see a boost in test?

    2) If it's debatable whether Tribulus boosts testosterone at all, are there ANY "natural" test boosters out there that have been proven to do so? I was under the impression that Tribulus was about as good as you could get as far as test boosting goes without delving into steroids or prohormones.

    3) And what about test boosting products like RPM by Applied Nutraceuticals? Same story as for Tribulus and ZMA when it comes to "crashing" once you go off it?

    Regardless, thanks for answering my question regarding whether or not one would see a crash in their test levels if one were to cease taking those products.

  5. Trib has to be 40 % prot or higher and a high amount of saponin's, for it to effectively rasie test levels to the optiumun
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  6. No hormone crash from RPM either.

  7. You won't find a single article in pubmed which shows tribulus to raise testosterone (or any other hormone for that matter). What is has been proven to do is increase NO production which leads to libido boost (people have misinterpreted this effect as being the result of increased testosterone).

    ZMA will help you get a good night's sleep if nothing else.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by rpen22 View Post
    No hormone crash from RPM either.
    So if there is no hormone crash from any of those supps, should it be relatively easy to maintain the gains one made while on them?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    You won't find a single article in pubmed which shows tribulus to raise testosterone (or any other hormone for that matter). What is has been proven to do is increase NO production which leads to libido boost (people have misinterpreted this effect as being the result of increased testosterone).

    ZMA will help you get a good night's sleep if nothing else.
    So are there any natural testosterone boosters to speak of?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by STUD1982 View Post
    So are there any natural testosterone boosters to speak of?
    I guess it depends upon what you mean by natural. Exercise tends to increase testosterone. Losing bodyfat does the same (or at least improves the T/e ratio). There are lots of things that will increase testosterone (more sleep for example). However, as far as supplements, I believe only aromataise inhibitors have been documented to increase testosterone.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    ... However, as far as supplements, I believe only aromataise inhibitors have been documented to increase testosterone.
    Are there any that you'd specifically recommend?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by STUD1982 View Post
    Are there any that you'd specifically recommend?
    No. Not because they aren't useful but just because I think you should research them and decide which is best for you. They all have different characteristics. The big OTC ones are: 6-oxo, ATD, ADED and 6-Bromo.

    I also may have been too hasty in dismissing test boosters. There are nettle root extract products (Mass FX, Activate) which change the ratio of bound test to free test (your overall test doesn't change but the amount that is active in the body does).

  13. Activate is a nice simple approach for boosting free test and it has no deleterious side effects like some AI's can.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by STUD1982;
    Let me see if I got this:

    1) ZMA mere gets rid of deficiencies and, as such, if one does not have Zinc or Magnesium deficiences, one really wouldn't see a boost in test?...
    ZMA is nothing more than bioavailable zinc (zinc monomethionine), magnesium (magnesium aspartate), and vitamin B6. Considering that athletes frequently have a deficiency of zinc and magnesium, and considering that these two minerals are involved in many metabolic functions in the body, ZMA can produce results comparable to steriods when taken by athletes with a strong deficiency of zinc and magnesium. When this deficiency is fully compensated, ZMA loses its magic.
    Your assertion above is, therefore, correct. ZMA is beneficial in cases of zinc and magnesium deficiency.

  15. ZMA worked great for me about 4 years ago when I first started training hard. Now it does very little.

  16. How about Testofen? There's studies behind that... raises test by 70% I beleive

  17. Quote Originally Posted by metalman302 View Post
    How about Testofen? There's studies behind that... raises test by 70% I beleive
    I'd like to see a study.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by rpen22 View Post

    Interesting. I'd like to see something actually published in a medical journal but hell, this is more info than we have on a lot of supplements.

    Of course, this study showed that the product DID NOT increase testosterone. However, it did appear to double the level of free test which is pretty darn interesting.

  19. Not in my experience. Powerfull is the natty test booster I use. Great stuff for restful sleep as well.
  20. Funny


    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior View Post
    Not in my experience. Powerfull is the natty test booster I use. Great stuff for restful sleep as well.

    Cause I keep hearing it doesnt really boost test just GH which can lead to test boosting. I say for me Bulk Powerfull brings a mighty fine boost in test 2nd only to Nettle with 6 oxo. Thats just me

    GOd Bless

  21. Quote Originally Posted by romanreid View Post
    Cause I keep hearing it doesnt really boost test just GH which can lead to test boosting. I say for me Bulk Powerfull brings a mighty fine boost in test 2nd only to Nettle with 6 oxo. Thats just me

    GOd Bless

    You can't really say these things unless you've had bloodwork done. Powerfull may be making you feel better (it does for me) but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's increasing test. I don't believe USPlabs even claims that it does.

    Powerful decreases prolactin, increases GH and usually causes deeper more restful sleep. That's a pretty powerful (no pun intended) combination for making a person feel better without increasing test one bit.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    You can't really say these things unless you've had bloodwork done. Powerfull may be making you feel better (it does for me) but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's increasing test. I don't believe USPlabs even claims that it does.

    Powerful decreases prolactin, increases GH and usually causes deeper more restful sleep. That's a pretty powerful (no pun intended) combination for making a person feel better without increasing test one bit.
    sounds like you no your stuff YR.
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  23. Smile


    [QUOTE=yeahright;980175]You can't really say these things unless you've had bloodwork done. Powerfull may be making you feel better (it does for me) but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's increasing test. I don't believe USPlabs even claims that it does.

    No I have never had bloodwork done but I did read about a study from a doctor at UCLA....? That showed a relationship between GH and LH (GH was found to raise LH). I think it was from the 1940s. Probably just some hype though if USPLabs aint claiming it then who am I.... its their product they would be the ones who would know.

    Just curious what about the sapons in powerfull no test boosting there either?

    Thanks

  24. Quote Originally Posted by romanreid View Post
    No I have never had bloodwork done but I did read about a study from a doctor at UCLA....? That showed a relationship between GH and LH (GH was found to raise LH). I think it was from the 1940s. Probably just some hype though if USPLabs aint claiming it then who am I.... its their product they would be the ones who would know.

    Just curious what about the sapons in powerfull no test boosting there either?

    Thanks
    Hmmmmmmmmmm...........just read the write-up again and they do claim that powerful raises test. Once again, powerful isn't tribulus (the original question). I searched pubmed and could only find 7 studies (only one that appeared to be on point) and it involved mice in Japan. You might ask Jacob where it gets his info that Powerfull can raise testosterone 53%.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    You can't really say these things unless you've had bloodwork done. Powerfull may be making you feel better (it does for me) but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's increasing test. I don't believe USPlabs even claims that it does.

    Powerful decreases prolactin, increases GH and usually causes deeper more restful sleep. That's a pretty powerful (no pun intended) combination for making a person feel better without increasing test one bit.
    excellent point.
    conversely, just because you may have wood all day on a certain cycle, doesn't mean your HPTA isn't being shutdown to some extent.

  26. There are hardly no negative side effects when it comes to taking these two products at all. They are pretty good overall and get to good results. I increased my strength and even put on some muscle by using these two. I suggest stacking them together with protein and BCAAs also. You will really get the best results from doing this.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by geeareco View Post
    Test
    Hell of a six year bump...

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Sr_505 View Post

    Hell of a six year bump...
    lol.....
  

  
 

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