Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM vs SuperCissus Rx
- 08-09-2007, 12:10 AM
Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM vs SuperCissus Rx
Thanks to the help from RenegadeRows.I am starting an All Natural bulkingroutine for the next 4 months.I have usedin the past.I would like feedback from people who have used both a Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM product and a Cissus product on which one worked best for you.I tried"SEARCH".I would appreciate some input from the vets.
- 08-09-2007, 12:24 AM
- 08-09-2007, 05:25 AM
Arzi75's Super Cissus Rx Log. I just started this log last week in order to find out can really outperform a solid joint supp stack of Glucosamine, Chonroitin acid and MSM (each taken daily), or even NSAIDs (like Diclofenac or Celecoxib).
I have been taking the above stuff almost daily for a long time and my goal is to eventually replace at least the other joint supps in my supp cabinet with a bottle of Cissus product, if the results are good.
08-09-2007, 05:39 AM
See the complete posts here:
Incarnate - 20 % Extract vs. 10% Extract
Super Cissus Rx - 10% Extract vs. 20% Extract
08-09-2007, 10:00 AM
08-09-2007, 10:53 AM
08-09-2007, 11:32 AM
I'm double dosing osteobolin-c plus taking chondroitin/glucosamine, and still have occasional joint pain. sucks to get old
08-09-2007, 11:54 AM
I use Super Cissus RX by USP labs and I will swear by them. I quit taking Gluc,MSM ands Chond. The Cissus works wonders for my ole Airborne Knees and Ligaments.
08-09-2007, 04:09 PM
I also take Super Cissus-RX (not at the moment but during ball season) I love it. I was on Glucosamine/Chon/MSM. That was good for my knees and what not but Cissus-RX seems to help with my tendons i.e. elbows and shoulders from throwing.
I will admit I thought it was garbage at first, it took about 3 weeks to kick in at 1 in the morning and 1 before bed but it did. When I knew I was going to throw alot that week I'd double the dose and could really tell a difference.
Super Cissus RX is kick when it comes to joint/legiment pain. Seems to have a long lasting effect also, Infact this summer I was pitching again (after 3 year of nothing but playing the feild) and have almost Zero arm problems.....this is the first whole year since little leauge I have had arm problems
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08-09-2007, 04:12 PM
I probably should try oratropin and see if that helps any. Nothing really grows back cartillage anyhow
08-09-2007, 04:24 PM
I haven't yet tried double-dosing Cissus as I'm frankly a little bit concerned about elevated estrogen levels that doing so might possibly cause - just taking the recommended 3-4 caps a day. On the other hand, I guess slightly elevated e-levels are actually good for joint health? I think my joint problems really exacerbated when I took a couple of anti-E's for too long, I guess, which caused my joint problems to flare up.
On glucosamine, I like to go for the 2000mg-3000mg range although not sure if any evidence exists that would support dosing any higher than the recommended 1500mg a day, but I guess I am just of the type that likes to double or even superdose on me supps.
08-09-2007, 04:28 PM
08-09-2007, 04:34 PM
08-09-2007, 04:40 PM
almost nothing helps with healing/recovery faster than high IGF-1 levels. Just expensive at $190 for a month. There are wonder stories here on AM about guys with ripped tendons, stuff like that. Believeble stories too. But I dont think it will help me grow cartillage. I still will likely try it someday, growth hormone has that big benefit of creating new muscle cells, all the rest of what we do just makes existing cells bigger.
08-09-2007, 04:46 PM
08-09-2007, 04:55 PM
Arthritis sucks completely tho. At 25 I had a doctor tell me that by 50 i'd have knee replacement surgery or be in a wheelchair
08-09-2007, 05:18 PM
08-09-2007, 10:21 PM
08-09-2007, 10:22 PM
08-10-2007, 06:43 AM
What's your take on this Cissus % extract issue? For joint relief def go for the low % ectracts, or does it really make a difference?
08-10-2007, 07:16 AM
08-10-2007, 07:22 AM
08-10-2007, 10:47 AM
That's interesting - did not know that Cissus could faciliate recovery that much.
Just noticed that Osteobolin-C has vitamin C in it - is that just for the enhanced collagen synthesis or could there possibly be some synergistic effect in having vitamin C and Cissus in the same product?
08-10-2007, 11:13 AM
08-10-2007, 11:15 AM
08-10-2007, 02:31 PM
08-10-2007, 02:56 PM
I think some studies that were conducted have shown that glucosamine can increase fasting blood sugar levels and worsen glucose tolerance i.e. can cause just the opposite of weight-loss. Cissus, on the other hand, has been studied on its ability to increase metabolism and has been found quite effective.
So, this glucosamine for fat-loss is some inside joke, right?
08-10-2007, 03:13 PM
Hmmm... Must be of that latter that they are not recommending it to you - you don't wanna grow boobs when you are at your age.
But, in all seriousness, even if you are under 18 and have a joint condition, I think you could give Cissus a try as it is probably the most potent joint supp currently out there. If you cannot get any, then go for the old tried and true stack of glucosamine sulfate and chondroitin acid. They are among the very few supps that even doctors recommend and have been clinically shown to provide strength, flexibility, and elasticity to cartilage and connective tissue, but good quality glucosamine can set you back some big $$$s as you need to use it for up to 3 months to see the results.
08-11-2007, 12:49 AM
08-11-2007, 08:47 AM
08-11-2007, 09:16 AM
Also little suspicious of this because of the other studies I mentioned above. But good to know, though. Why the reference to Avant Labs, are they pushing a glucosamine-based product for weight-loss?
08-11-2007, 09:20 AM
08-13-2007, 09:59 PM
Glucosamine also contributes to weight loss. The effect of insulin on lipogenesis, the formation of fatty acids in the body, is blocked by glucosamine, indicating that glucosamine plays a role as a messenger for this insulin effect. Insulin is secreted when there is high sugar content, insulin secretion allows for fat storage. Glucose triggers a rise in insulin. Insulin acts to lower blood glucose levels, regulating those levels through several actions, including lipogenesis (conversion of carbohydrate and protein into fat). High insulin levels trigger the hypothalamus to send hunger signals, which sets off a craving for carbohydrates; this leads one to eat more, which leads to more insulin. Excess carbohydrates are converted into glucose, and then stored as fat.
08-13-2007, 10:00 PM
So, glucosamine would NOT contribute to weight loss in a low carb diet, but potentially could in a higher carb diet, as it helps block that action. Nifty
08-14-2007, 04:15 AM
The classic EasyEJL delivery!
1. Set up the topic (with a question etc.)
2. Share the theory and the relevant information
3. Sign off with the conclusion and/or the take-home message
Students may leave the class room.
08-14-2007, 04:18 AM
08-14-2007, 04:03 PM
ok great info thanx to Easy, so would this help in fatloss if taken with berberine/YG ?...since the intake of carbs is much higher .
08-14-2007, 04:05 PM
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