[Arzi75]

Originally Posted by themandaloria

I want to try Cissus so bad, but they told me no one under 18

The only negative things I have heard ever about Cissus, are that someone reported it can cause acne and some stories of elevated estrogen levels, but nothing worse than that.

Hmmm... Must be of that latter that they are not recommending it to you - you don't wanna grow boobs when you are at your age.

But, in all seriousness, even if you are under 18 and have a joint condition, I think you could give Cissus a try as it is probably the most potent joint supp currently out there. If you cannot get any, then go for the old tried and true stack of glucosamine sulfate and chondroitin acid. They are among the very few supps that even doctors recommend and have been clinically shown to provide strength, flexibility, and elasticity to cartilage and connective tissue, but good quality glucosamine can set you back some big $$$s as you need to use it for up to 3 months to see the results.

[Iron Warrior]

Originally Posted by Arzi75

Not sure that I'm following you on this one, bro, but is this sarcasm, or are you confusing glucosamine with Cissus?

I think some studies that were conducted have shown that glucosamine can increase fasting blood sugar levels and worsen glucose tolerance i.e. can cause just the opposite of weight-loss. Cissus, on the other hand, has been studied on its ability to increase metabolism and has been found quite effective.

So, this glucosamine for fat-loss is some inside joke, right?

I was actually serious. You need about 3 grams or so for it to work. It works through leptin manipulation IIRC

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by Iron Warrior

I was actually serious. You need about 3 grams or so for it to work. It works through leptin manipulation IIRC

Interesting, i'm only around 2.25g right now, i'll bump it up an extra tab now Any difference between the glucosamine type? theres 3 or 4 variations, i'm taking the HCL right now, can't recall the others offhand.

[Arzi75]

Originally Posted by Iron Warrior

I was actually serious. You need about 3 grams or so for it to work. It works through leptin manipulation IIRC

Ok, thanks for that - that was news to me. I have been currently taking 1000-3000 mg glucosamine daily for some time now and I haven't noticed any fat loss that would have coincided with my starting to take glucosamine or with the start/end points for the periods when I have been taking only a moderate 1000-1500 mg or during the periods when I have taken 3000mg a day.

Also little suspicious of this because of the other studies I mentioned above. But good to know, though. Why the reference to Avant Labs, are they pushing a glucosamine-based product for weight-loss?

[Arzi75]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

Interesting, i'm only around 2.25g right now, i'll bump it up an extra tab now Any difference between the glucosamine type? theres 3 or 4 variations, i'm taking the HCL right now, can't recall the others offhand.

I have been taking around 3000 mg, but I have been taking only glucosamine sulfate. Interested in knowing, too, whether the weight-loss is specific to a particular type of glucosamine?

[EasyEJL]

Glucosamine also contributes to weight loss. The effect of insulin on lipogenesis, the formation of fatty acids in the body, is blocked by glucosamine, indicating that glucosamine plays a role as a messenger for this insulin effect. Insulin is secreted when there is high sugar content, insulin secretion allows for fat storage. Glucose triggers a rise in insulin. Insulin acts to lower blood glucose levels, regulating those levels through several actions, including lipogenesis (conversion of carbohydrate and protein into fat). High insulin levels trigger the hypothalamus to send hunger signals, which sets off a craving for carbohydrates; this leads one to eat more, which leads to more insulin. Excess carbohydrates are converted into glucose, and then stored as fat.

[EasyEJL]

So, glucosamine would NOT contribute to weight loss in a low carb diet, but potentially could in a higher carb diet, as it helps block that action. Nifty

[Arzi75]

The classic EasyEJL delivery!

1. Set up the topic (with a question etc.)

2. Share the theory and the relevant information

3. Sign off with the conclusion and/or the take-home message

Students may leave the class room.

[Arzi75]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

So, glucosamine would NOT contribute to weight loss in a low carb diet, but potentially could in a higher carb diet, as it helps block that action. Nifty

Ok, thanks EasyEJL - this was news to me. You are THE man!

My diet is pretty high carb, so I have got one more reason to sticking with glucosamine.

[shakti]

ok great info thanx to Easy, so would this help in fatloss if taken with berberine/YG ?...since the intake of carbs is much higher .

[shakti]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to EasyEJL again.