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    What are the French doing about the foods, such as fish, and beef that naturally contain creatine in it? Or the creatine that is naturally in the human muscle? That just sounds stupid really.
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    I am not surprised. Didn't they ban fighting during world war II?


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    Is creatine always banned in France or just after 2001?

    "A 2001 report by the Food Safety Agency of France (AFSSA) raised questions about creatine supplements possibly putting users at greater risk for cancer, particularly if such supplements are taken for long periods of time. However, the European Commission and the Council for Responsible Nutrition in the United States both determined that AFSSA's claims are unsubstantiated and not based on any scientific evidence of a connection between creatine and cancer. All three organizations do agree, though, that risks of long-term use of creatine are not known at this time."
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    I don't think that's true man, i just came back from paris, and i saw at least 3 huge supplements stores selling creatine...
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    they banned Red Bull too. Look above at my first post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    check above links on first post.

    lol. testifying over creatine.
    perhaps the ban had been lifted, as the report was issued in 2001, 6 years ago
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    possibly. I found it to be some good read either way.
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    Lol funny. the french
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    It has begun..the Codex will likely soon follow. Prepare for assimilation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    It has begun..the Codex will likely soon follow. Prepare for assimilation.
    Sad but true, the french, norwegians, germans can't sell vitamin C over 200mgs per dose. I would like to hear someone from the above mentioned countries to tell us the details. Big pharma pushes itself very agressively. YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
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    Exclamation Creatine freely sold in France (no more ban)


    Hi guys

    This info you got about creatine ban in France is history.
    These days, it's very easy to buy some in sports shops.
    But you're right about Red Bull, it's still banned...though I think it won't go on like this forever...

    I can't find any logic behind this, but that's the situation right now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyOne View Post
    Sad but true, the french, norwegians, germans can't sell vitamin C over 200mgs per dose. I would like to hear someone from the above mentioned countries to tell us the details. Big pharma pushes itself very agressively. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frA8Dwvf5Dc
    that makes sense, its pointless to take a dose higher than 200mgs unless its a time release formula anyhow. vit c's half life is under 2 hrs
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    Quote Originally Posted by arnaudkt View Post
    Hi guys

    This info you got about creatine ban in France is history.
    These days, it's very easy to buy some in sports shops.
    But you're right about Red Bull, it's still banned...though I think it won't go on like this forever...

    I can't find any logic behind this, but that's the situation right now...
    i lived in France for six months and i'd heard rumours that red bull was banned but they sold other energy drinks in stead. it was called Shark or something? what is it in red bull they dont like? cant be the caffiene surely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyOne View Post
    Sad but true, the french, norwegians, germans can't sell vitamin C over 200mgs per dose. I would like to hear someone from the above mentioned countries to tell us the details. Big pharma pushes itself very agressively. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frA8Dwvf5Dc
    Here in Germany, Vitamin C is available as effervescent tablets and as capsules in 1 000mg sizes. The problem, though, is not necessarily Vitamin C as such, but the combination of ingredients in a given formula. It is fairly regular to see a formula classified as a drug due to the specific concentrations of the used ingredients, even if the separate ingredients are classified as food supplements. It would, for instance be next to impossible to convince the German Customs that Green Tea Extract (standardized for 98% Polyphenols, 60% Epigallocathechingallate (EGCG)) 500mg is a food supplement. For them, and for the health authorities, it is a drug, even though Green Tea leaves are food supplements, regardless of quantity! Tongkat Ali in capsule form would not be allowed into Germany. Yet, importation in powdered form is not restricted. In this form, it is referred to as a forest product. The list can be continued. Weird, right? The life of an athlete is fairly complex here, guys!
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    In Germany, the problem is not creatine, but the form. Creatine Monohydrate is freely available. The more advance forms such as Di/Tri-Creatine-Malate, Di/Tri-Creatine-Orotate, Tri-Creatine-HM-ß, Creatine-Pyruvate, Creatine-Ethyl-Ester(-Malate), Creatine-Ethyl-Ester-HCl, Creatine-Alpha-Ketoglutarate, and so on, however, are declared as drugs! I know some of you cannot fathom this. I cannot find a justification for it either. Yet, it is a reality we live with on a daily basis here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER View Post
    I am not surprised. Didn't they ban fighting during world war II?


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    Somebody ask Pocketboy , He's french isn't he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    that makes sense, its pointless to take a dose higher than 200mgs unless its a time release formula anyhow. vit c's half life is under 2 hrs
    First of all you're right about taking more than 200mgs of non time released vit C is a waste. But how about banning foods that contain more than 500 kcals per serving just because excess calories would be stored as fat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Here in Germany, Vitamin C is available as effervescent tablets and as capsules in 1 000mg sizes. The problem, though, is not necessarily Vitamin C as such, but the combination of ingredients in a given formula. It is fairly regular to see a formula classified as a drug due to the specific concentrations of the used ingredients, even if the separate ingredients are classified as food supplements. It would, for instance be next to impossible to convince the German Customs that Green Tea Extract (standardized for 98% Polyphenols, 60% Epigallocathechingallate (EGCG)) 500mg is a food supplement. For them, and for the health authorities, it is a drug, even though Green Tea leaves are food supplements, regardless of quantity! Tongkat Ali in capsule form would not be allowed into Germany. Yet, importation in powdered form is not restricted. In this form, it is referred to as a forest product. The list can be continued. Weird, right? The life of an athlete is fairly complex here, guys!
    Are those Vitamin C formulas you're talking about manufactured by pharma companies and expensive as hell compared to lets say nutraplanet's prices? Btw how long have you been living in such circumstances?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyOne;
    Are those Vitamin C formulas you're talking about manufactured by pharma companies and expensive as hell compared to lets say nutraplanet's prices? Btw how long have you been living in such circumstances?
    Big Pharma prefers ingredients they can patent and demand exorbitant prices for. Vitamin C, basically ascorbic acid, is not their focus, although they still offer such products. No-name brands, however, offer relatively cheaper Vitamin C products, especially as effervescent forms. Still, NutraPlanet's prices are unbeatable.
    I have always known the situation in Germany like this!
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    i like french women
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohiostate2827 View Post
    i like french women
    but, do they like you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12;
    but, do they like you?
    Interesting question. Still, the expression "I like French women" is, in my opinion, more complex to interpret than may be superficially assumed at first sight. Reason is that the current French society is so heterogeneous and inter-cultural that there may not be a typical "French woman", rather French-speaking women with different cultural outlooks. The difference is subtle, yet exists. This might assist some hopefuls to manage their expectations.
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    I thought Germany allowed everything, including AAS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon;
    I thought Germany allowed everything, including anabolic steroids.
    Noooooooooooooooooooooooo way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    In Germany, the problem is not creatine, but the form. Creatine Monohydrate is freely available. The more advance forms such as Di/Tri-Creatine-Malate, Di/Tri-Creatine-Orotate, Tri-Creatine-HM-ß, Creatine-Pyruvate, Creatine-Ethyl-Ester(-Malate), Creatine-Ethyl-Ester-HCl, Creatine-Alpha-Ketoglutarate, and so on, however, are declared as drugs! I know some of you cannot fathom this. I cannot find a justification for it either. Yet, it is a reality we live with on a daily basis here.
    Don't worry. We'll be right behind you. We are infested with career politicians who are entirely impotent however manage to keep themselves in power by playing on the ignorance of the average soccer mom and drunk dad by scaring them to high hell their little son who wants to be a professional athlete will be killed by performance enhancing drugs, discriminated against, etc, etc, etc and then claim that their presence in office will make the kids "safe". That or they make a living by finding a social fringe-group and exploiting them in either a positive or negative fashion (for the group).
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    Oh, really ?

    Write creatine in the "recherche" box and you will see how banned creatine is in France...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00;
    Don't worry. We'll be right behind you. We are infested with career politicians who are entirely impotent however manage to keep themselves in power by playing on the ignorance of the average soccer mom and drunk dad by scaring them to high hell their little son who wants to be a professional athlete will be killed by performance enhancing drugs, discriminated against, etc, etc, etc and then claim that their presence in office will make the kids "safe". That or they make a living by finding a social fringe-group and exploiting them in either a positive or negative fashion (for the group).
    Throw in the enormous influence of the extremely powerful Big-Pharma lobby into the picture, and the outcome gets fairly predictable.
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    Lobby's aren't the problem, IMHO. They just do what everyone does, ask for better treatment than the next guy. Our politicians shouldn't be working on behalf of lobbies. That's the problem. I reallllllly hate politicians these days.
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    Wow, I'm surprised this thread got dug up from awhile back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    I thought Germany allowed everything, including anabolic steroids.
    Isn't it banned everywhere?
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    Well im a pro athlete in a sport thats getting destroyed right now. Im planning on racing in europe next year. How the hell am i going to get my safe over the counter supplements that i rely on every day. Green tea extract, Creatine, natural test boosters ect? I was racing out of Sweden last year and had no problems.
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    the french *hmeh*
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    No wonder they never when.
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    but, do they like you?
    of course, they all do
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