Most worthless recent supplement ?
- 08-04-2007, 06:32 PM
I have little respect for this type of shifty marketing. Halodrol liquigels, Novedex Xt, and That stuff from Hi-tech Supplements (that are actually given the same name as popular steroid drugs).
It's using name recognition to profit off the uninformed consumer's ignorance. And that's something that should be frowned up.
- 08-04-2007, 06:34 PM
- 08-04-2007, 06:35 PM
08-04-2007, 06:42 PM
I remember last year Mr. Olympia 2006 Halodrol Liquigels were supposed to be the next big thing....what was it that Rich Gaspari used to describe it....."the 5 in one anabolic punch ?...." something like that. Last time I went to Vitamin Shoppe here they had that and Methyl 1-D marked down so heavily, lol.
08-04-2007, 06:45 PM
M1-bol 17-bol great way to burn a 100 bones.
08-04-2007, 06:45 PM
08-04-2007, 06:46 PM
The Strap FTW!!!!!!
08-04-2007, 06:48 PM
08-04-2007, 07:39 PM
ALRI (I know you don't work for them anymore) should come out with something that can compare to the almight strap.
08-04-2007, 07:52 PM
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08-04-2007, 09:15 PM
08-04-2007, 09:28 PM
08-05-2007, 10:23 AM
I was at a grand opening helping out the other day, and I had a group of marines come in and ask 'hey, yall got the strap'? Me and my buddy wanting to go in half on it.' I told him to give me 80bucks and Id slap him in the face and we'd call it even. Actually, I told him to never buy a fizogen product and if he got really close to doing so, just read the ingredient label on their 'underground anabolics'(cee, aakg, caffiene, etc..)
08-05-2007, 10:38 AM
08-05-2007, 11:56 AM
08-05-2007, 02:39 PM
08-05-2007, 06:11 PM
08-05-2007, 06:36 PM
08-05-2007, 06:38 PM
Beautiful and I think it would actually do more for you!
08-05-2007, 07:42 PM
08-06-2007, 07:02 AM
08-06-2007, 07:38 AM
08-06-2007, 08:04 AM
Fizogen is by FAR the WORST out there. with there oncycle offcycle cycles!!!
08-06-2007, 08:06 AM
08-06-2007, 08:22 AM
I surely dont think Halodrol liquigels belong on that list. They actually do something and the name is similar but at least its the same company. Its not like its someone trying to knock off someone elses product. Only someone with little knowledge would be fooled into buying them thinking they were halodrol-50. I mean there are so many other horrible supplements out there that would have halo liquigels beat as most worthless hands down. I still would never buy any of those.
08-06-2007, 08:25 AM
Halodrol Liquigels is probably the BEST on that list, but I don't think it should be excluded.
honestly if you really want to get down to it, bar none the worst is Sarm-X.
-Halodrol Liquigels has stuff that works......sorta I guess?
-Aplodan= ALA+creatine both supplements are good, just not the price or Muscle-Tech in general
-Methyl 1-D....AI/DHEA.....atleast there is an AI.
-SARM-X: DHEA+ferulic acid ? huh ?
08-06-2007, 09:56 AM
I say liquidgels, I ran Halodrol-50 and loved it when I saw Liquid gels I was pumped then I read the ingredients and gave it back to the guy behind the counter.
But don't rag on Fizogen. I gained 50 lbs on the
17-oil bol on/off STRAP on cycle. and that was just in my pecker.
08-06-2007, 02:59 PM
08-06-2007, 03:57 PM
This thread just saved me some $$. I was going to get the Halodrol gels just as a 'lets see if they work' type of thing.
Now I wont be.
I've learned more about **** on this site in about 6 months than I've learned in over a decade of bodybuilding due to people saying whats real over saying whatever will earn them a damn dollar.
08-06-2007, 04:54 PM
08-06-2007, 09:18 PM
08-08-2007, 03:43 PM
I think that the only reason that we would put Halodrol Liquigels in this list is because of what Gaspari named them. Had he called them something else, it might be on a list of fairly decent non-hormonal products. Novadex XT is a good test booster/anti-e in my opinion, but again he tried bumping his sales by using the name of an existing illegal serm. What really pisses me off about the bodybuilding culture in general is that, for example, Fizogen actually got a pro bodybuilder to do an add praising the strap as the holy grail of strength and mass gains. Nobody has any pride any more. If I were a pro body builder, I would only advertise with companies whose products I actually used myself. Gespari's creatine products, superpump and sizeon, were the only two creatine products that ever did anything for me. I'd still give the liquigels a try, and if they work, they work. Who cares what they name them. I think that it is wrong for them to claim that a person will get the same gains as the original H-50, but somebody who gets "tricked" into buying the liquigels because of that will at least get something for their money, unlike the 120 bucks that I dropped on a couple of tubs of muscletech's anator p70. The other thing I like about Gespari Nutrition is that Gespari is a real person who was runner up a couple years in the Mr. Olympia, and he puts the research up on his site, comparing hormone levels of control groups vs. research groups. Everybody is out to make money, however, and if you read some of the advertisements, I don't feel sorry for suckers losing their money. Was it AMS that put out this ad saying that they were disclosing classified information to a select few special people with certain parts blacked out so as to not create a spending frenzy and prevent people from killing eachother during a stampede to the supplement shop? I'll tell you guys something, I don't give a f&#k how good that supplement/pro-hormone is, they don't deserve a dime for being so frickin retarted with their advertisement, and anyone with half a brain take their money elsewhere until the company started treating us with some respect. Muscletech is the supplement company for those guys that you'll see in the gym for about three weeks before they get bored and go back to smoking dope and watching downloaded simpsons reruns. The more secure companies are those that make products that we'll be taking after two years of lifting and educating ourselves about the iron game and nutrition. We've all been suckered in by Muscletech. Question is, where are we now?
08-08-2007, 09:22 PM
Good grief. I will light a candle for you in liu of your Muscle-Tech purchase. I was wondering the same thing for along time too about the pros and what they sponsor. If you think Jay Cutler won Mr. Olympia from Aplodan you got bigger problems in your life than weightlifting. While it is easy for us to call them out, bodybuilding is their career. They make a living off it. Bodybuilding there is not much money either in it. I mean if you compare it to pro football, baseball, whatever it dosen't even begin to compare. I'm sure the backup 3rd string quarterback probably gets paid more than Jay Cutler.
I don't agree with it, and I don't like it, but everyone has to make a dollar and a living, and if they have to subject themselves to advertising then so be it. Supplement companies can advertise as much as they want, but they really need to get products that work.
there is nothing that pisses me off more than b.s. junk products...not the advertising.
Gaspari should have chosen better advertisement. Liquigels was being advertised as 'the next best thing after Halodrol 50' and of course it wasn't. On top of that the whole 'liquigels' just gives me the idea that it is a new type of delivery system or something. Nope, just Halodrol liquiJUNK.
08-10-2007, 01:27 AM
Reaper: You make great points but these companies don't have the necessity to produce effective products because they know that what you market is more important than what you sell. If Muscle-Tech loses a ton of money because everyone suddenly got smart and only took products that worked and were reasonably priced then they would have to improve or go out of business. It's very frustrating to see this happens because many of the innovative companies have a bigger mountain to climb
08-10-2007, 07:20 AM
Definitly. People have different expectations when it comes to a product. Take for example clothing. You can either get durable clothes that last a long time, or something that is 'name brand' that is probably less of quality. The packaging, marketing, and even the bottle play a integral part in sales.
Muscle-Tech is nothing more than a cleverly marketed company that produces basic junk and spend nearly all their money sponsoring IBFF pros and making these incredibly stupid articles in magazines.
I really don't understand WHY people don't expect better quality supplements, but for some reason they dont....which is a damn shame.
08-10-2007, 11:29 PM
08-11-2007, 11:29 AM
Halodrol liquigels is really no worse than LG naming their prod, Liquid Masterdrol.
Liquigels might not be their best product and probably stems as being their worst one going right now. However no one here can name a supplement company where every one of their products produced is #1 in its class. Otherwise I will give credit where credit is due, and say that Gaspari is atleast putting real research into alot of their products. You can't say that about most companies these days, large or small.
Secondly wether or not a supplement works or not really depends on ones diet and workout. Alot of people that use certain sports supplements either A. don't eat the right foods for the results they are looking for, or B. either don't train enough or most importantly don't train properly.
I'm sure if a supplement is legit it should do SOMETHING, but without the above mentioned being in place, I wouldn't expect much anyways.
08-12-2007, 02:29 AM
weird..i've never heard of any of this ****. one, I don't read magazines with this **** in it. two, I don't shop at gnc. three, most supplements are overrated anyways.
08-12-2007, 12:54 PM
I'd rather a company give realistic results, and stop playing on outliers who 'gained 15lbs' in one month.
Most likely what happened is they took a bunch of underfed/starving Somalian kids, gave them Liquigels, then took them out to a buffet for every meal for one month.
Yep 10-15lbs baby.
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