Criticize my own ULTIMATE STACK(if you're a rep,read it plz,I could have question 4 U
- 08-03-2007, 03:15 PM
Criticize my own ULTIMATE STACK(if you're a rep,read it plz,I could have question 4 U
I'm 20 years old (almost 21), I'm trying to build my own ultimate stack. I began bodybuilding 6 months ago, I'm an ectomorphic guys.
I fist want to tell you that I take the "supplements" word in his REAL SENSE, I mean, I eat as much as I can, and then I take my supplements.
First I'll write you the "directions" on each product, if there remains problem with it, I'll wrote it on GREEN COLOR
POSEIDON : (3-6 teaspoon a day on empty stomach or with light meal),
1. first thing in the morning on an empty stomach or with a protein shake or light meal.
2. before, during and after workouts (put 2-3 servings in a water bottle and start sipping on it 10min prior WO and finish about the time workout is complete)
3. in evening before bed
ANABOLIC PUMP : (15 min before Carbs morning, pre-Wo and post-WO)
or (don't know which one I'll choose yet)
P-SLIN : (15 min before 60g-100g pre-WO carbs)
XTEND : (2 scoop before WO and during, 1 scoop after WO)
RAGNAROK : (30-60min Before pre-WO, 1 scoop 2 hours after meal, 1h after protein, can mix with simple Carbs, is it Kwick Karb (WMS) okay ?... an Millenium sport rep tell me I can mix with WMS, so If you are sure of not, tell me.
KWICK KARB : (75g before and during, or/and after (mixed on protein shake))
GLYCERGROW : (or GLYCEROL MONO STEARATE, is it as effective as GLYCERGROW ?) (1-4 scoop, drink in a extended period of time (before, during and after pre-WO … can mix on juice, sport/electrolyte drink, water etc…. can mix with XTEND ?)
MY PROGRAM :
Wake up :
MIX : POSEIDON + RESET A.D.
45 min before WO :
30 min before WO :
MIX : Ragnarok + Kwick Karb
On the travel and during :
MIX : XTEND + Glycergrow + POSEIDON + RESET A.D.
Coming back home :
MIX : XTEND + Kwick Karb + whey protein ?
Before bed :
Poseidon + RESET A.D.
WHY THOSE PRODUCTS ? :
POSEIDON : I’m on Accutane treatment (I finish in less than a month), but I really want my body be hydrated all the time on the optimale level (hydratation is a thing very important for the entire body) … skin included.
P-SLIN (and/or ANABOLIC PUMP) : To improve pump, “insulin” effect, allow to take many carbs without fat storage and well stackable with Kwick karb.
RAGNAROK : It has all the component needed on a pre-WO, a quite good amount of quality creatine, beta alaline and the WATERMELON seems to taste good.
KWICK KARB : Give energy (when taken before WO) + Restore glycogen level of the muscle (When taken after WO) … I read it’s a very good carb (I don’t really understand pro and cons of simple carb, complex carb and WMS)… Seems to be well stackable with P-Slin (or Anabolic pump)
XTEND : Many people love it and recommend me this BCAA. Do I need to take whey while I’m taking XTEND ? Which flavor taste good (melon, grape, lemonade ?)
GLYCERGROW : I don’t know if it’s better than “Glycerol Mono Stearate” (NutraPlanet) (what’s the difference ?), but this product will help me to volumize my muscle, did he ?
RESET A.D. : Since I was child, I drank coffee. Since the last 3 years, I feel always tired for nothing, and stim immunised. In fact, the product description, truelly correspond me at 200%
Thanks you for your help
I really appreciate.
PS : I'm just looking for a supplement to help me sleep. If you know one, please tell me
- 08-03-2007, 03:48 PM
the cheapest is ON Melatonin $2(waaayyyy better and cheaper than X-Dream) or you could go with Powerfull $30
- 08-03-2007, 03:50 PM
And what do you think about the stack and "the problem" I encounter ?
08-03-2007, 03:51 PM
I would go with IGF-2 for sleep benifits, and would aslo help you lean out a bit while adding some muscle. Powerfull is great also, IGF-2 just is a little better. So if your strapped for cash, go with Powerfull, if not, go the extra mile and get IGF-2, you won't be dissapointed!
08-03-2007, 03:53 PM
BTW, post up your diet as well, especially being an Ecto, you need to have a solid food plan before you start anything, or else you will not grow. And you can't just eat whatever you want to grow, I see too many ectomorphs complaining that they can't gain weight no matter hwo much crap they eat. It is because they are eating crap that they are not making the gains they want.
08-03-2007, 03:55 PM
i don't know man, $50 is high for a product that is already out that is cheaper... seems a bit pompus IMO... i have tried both igf-2 / powerfull and could not tell the difference between the two (but who am i to judge, right)
08-03-2007, 03:55 PM
Like I said, I ate a lot, and then I take my supplement.
I've a really healthy and varied nutrition : meat, chicken, vegetables, fruits, milk, cereales etc
08-03-2007, 03:57 PM
08-03-2007, 03:59 PM
Don't know about IGF-2 and powerfull, it raise testosterone level (don't want this)
Lol, when I told you I was considering taking Powerfull you desagreed.
08-03-2007, 03:59 PM
I can definetly tell the difference, with Powerfull I selpt great, but did not want to wake up, lol. IGF-2 I wake up fine. But everyone responds differently, thats why you just have to try and compare for yourself.
I still think you should post your diet Pocket, have it detailed out, then we can help you tweak it to gain the most.
08-03-2007, 04:02 PM
I didn't have any ritual on my food, I changed everyday (it's very varied).
I probably eat a thing like :
morning : " milk + cereals + peanuts butter on bread + orange juice"
lunch : "vegetables + pastes + 2 steacks"
around 4:00 pm : orange juice + cereales + 2 bananas + apple
dinner : "chicken + potatoes"
08-03-2007, 04:03 PM
definetly drop the cereal and replace it with some good old oats. Make sure the bread is whole wheat. You have only 2 meals that have any significant protein, you need protein in every meal. Balance of nutrients in every meal is crucial!
08-03-2007, 04:07 PM
but I'm runing on VOLUMASS (San nutrition) too on my "non protein meal"
08-03-2007, 04:07 PM
The Myth, is the L-Dopa increase testosterone ?
08-03-2007, 04:09 PM
L-Dopa and its effects on Testosterone and Human Growth Hormone
Another important chemical mechanism of IGF-2™ is L-Dopa-induced growth hormone (GH) release, and increased testosterone secretion through prolactin inhibition. Prolactin is a hormone that regulates testosterone production, and too much of it can suppress the secretion of gonadotropins, which hinders testosterone production. By inhibiting prolactin, IGF-2 increases endogenous testosterone levels dramatically. The variety of Mucuna Pruriens used in IGF-2™ is standardized to 25% L-Dopa, delivering large amounts of this active ingredient per capsule (27). L-Dopa is a precursor to Dopamine, a powerful biogenic amine, and L-Dopa is the only method of transport of Dopamine through the blood-barrier(3,15,16). Dopamine is a potent GH and testosterone agonist, meaning that dopamine inhibits prolactin release and hypothalamic somatostatin secretion, which allows for a greater stimulatory effect of growth hormone-releasing hormone (GHRH) and secretion of testosterone by the testes. GHRH signals the pituitary to release GH, a polypeptide hormone produced by the somatotropic cells of the anterior pituitary (3,11,12,14,15,16). GH stimulates skeletal muscle cells to grow and, in some cases, divide. Acting directly, GH mobilizes fats from fat depots and decreases the rate of glucose intake and metabolism. In mammals, GH exerts most of its anabolic effects through being mediated by IGF; IGF is also known as somatomedin, which stimulates the uptake of amino acids from the blood and into skeletal muscle, providing for a variety of anabolic effects in the human body. This is important, as IGF-2™ provides the biochemical stimulus for the aforementioned muscle-building processes.
08-03-2007, 04:13 PM
Hum, erf, I hate test increase (I'm affraid of the acne increase because of high testo) !
08-03-2007, 04:21 PM
dude, trust me - YOU HAVE TO EAT YOUR PROTEIN - drinking it is cool, but you "pass" the bulk of it before your body can utilize it - EAT PRO, drink water, eat comp. carbs (oats/br.rice/whole-grain pasta/etc)
08-03-2007, 04:24 PM
Ok, I already do all you are telling me, just PERHAPS less protein.
So, I will eat a steak or two in my breakfast.
08-03-2007, 04:27 PM
WHAT? no dude... you don't want red meat that early in the morning! chicken / egg-whites...
08-03-2007, 04:30 PM
I justran JW solo. Had a new girlfriend a week before i started. I slightly broke out on shoulders and a bit toward my bi's. My face the last week showed a bit more also. I am prone to acne it is in the family. I have anxiety issues but at a certain point you have to decide what you want. Now if someone can't sccept you for who you are or what you do, their problem.
So i ask...what scares you about slight if any increase in acne? It's not like you're goin on a cycle of AAS or PHs. Worst that happens is you stop use if you're that uncomfortable. Use a face cleaner, some pantothenic acid(B5), vitamin a & E and you should be ok.
08-03-2007, 04:43 PM
I do bodybuilding only for the physical appearance ...I have anxiety issues but at a certain point you have to decide what you want. Now if someone can't sccept you for who you are or what you do, their problem.
And in my case, I'm on a strong acne treatment that I almost finish, and take supplements that will increase acne it's a non sense
08-03-2007, 05:00 PM
PocketRocket, you know, you could save everybody a lot of time and effort if you would just change your age in the profile to what it really is... save everyone from all this confusion. Thanks.
Myth, this guy posted previously that he was 19 and would be 20 in a couple months. Then he changed his profile to read that he is 21 because he didn't like the answers he got when trolling for info on PHs and growth hormone boosters. Now he's saying he's 20 and almost 21. I don't know what to believe, but it's fishy.
Just thought you should know because typically test boosters and gh boosters (PowerFull) are not recommended for users under 21 (as it says on the label).
08-03-2007, 05:06 PM
Ecto just go on my "My apologize ..." thread.
And what's the hell is going on with my age : I tell, JUST READDDDD the first line of my thread "I'm 20 almost 21" Isn't my profile wrote "21" ?
And OMG you always are flooding my thread ! Why don't you really participate on it (for your opinion on the stack).
And did you see any "HGH" on my stack ?
No ! because I removed it on my mind, because of people who tell me it's not good for me.
So, I just tell "please give me a sleep aid, and skin enhancement" they all give me POWERFULL, REM-R3G, IGF-2, which have the L-DOPA component I was considering and for what you flamme me during entire hours !
08-03-2007, 05:09 PM
And I didn't consider HGH releaser because people tell me it's not benefit, and I DON'T find any effective HGH releaser without testosterone increase ...
So, any sleep aid or opinion on my stack ?
08-03-2007, 05:11 PM
08-03-2007, 05:14 PM
That wasn't a flame, it was a public service announcement.
No, there was no GH in your "stack" and that's great. But if your profile says you're 21 when you're really not, then people will continue to suggest you try products that you really shouldn't be yet. So, I'm letting them know that there is some confusion about your actual age because you keep changing it. They have a right to know.
I still don't believe that you're almost 21 because you did say in a previous post that you are 19. I have no idea what to believe at this point. So, as PumpingIron said in another thread, "If you come asking questions about something, and changing your story because you aren't getting the responses you want, then you don't deserve any help." That's why I'm not helping you.
08-03-2007, 05:23 PM
I first wrote 19 because here in france, 20 years old it's a sort of "key age" you know. When you say 20 years old, people imagine you like an adult, you want I mean.
But I really looks like a sort of child - adult. My appearance it's really an teenagers one.
And what I say 19, because, I don't know why, but in america, like in some country, almost all 16-17 years old people looks like 20 here ! REALLY!
And so, 20years had a sort of "psychological effect" like the 30,40,50,60
08-03-2007, 05:27 PM
08-03-2007, 05:29 PM
BIGT404, I'm on accutane since 9 months, but it's my 2nd "cycle".
I never had a big acne, I only had a light one, but I really hate this "problem" so I ask my dermatologist to prescribe me accutane for "prevention".
My first cycle was a success, but I really always have sleep trouble, so one day, I ask my doctor to prescribe any sleep aid, he did. But this one was linked (don't know how) on testosterone secretion .... BOUM, I did have acne again... So I WON'T touch my testosterone again... never
08-03-2007, 05:30 PM
No, I'm very serious .... Don't know why, but the 15-19 years old here, looks like child...
08-03-2007, 05:32 PM
Why not just try the stack of whatever it is and see how it comes out? If it works for you, then good. If not, try somethign different.
08-03-2007, 05:39 PM
9 months?? dang. that sucks. I agree with mental, get your doctor to prescribe you a good face wash. and even some acne stuff like tazorac. worked great for me back in the day. but who knows. and back to the accutane. your on the second cycle for 9 months??? what dosage you on??
08-03-2007, 05:41 PM
I've all the "cosmetic" side of acne treatment (wash, moisturizes etc)
I'm on 40mg.
But you probably have "exclusive" treatment in america that there don't have in france (France is really drug restrective country)
08-03-2007, 05:47 PM
If you could please post before/after pictures when you've decided on your stack and completed it that would be greatly appriciated.
08-03-2007, 05:53 PM
yes, france is also low on test levels (no balls)
but that's another thread
08-03-2007, 05:55 PM
08-03-2007, 05:58 PM
Seriously, I think you right matthews, I tell the same thing to my friends.
In southern France, younger ladies looks like "more growth" than nothern.
It's like the "black" person, they looks "adult-like" and "have more muscle" earlier.
08-03-2007, 06:01 PM
yeah ! Reaperx, I (personally) DIDN'T said that I agree with those who say that. But many say that creatine it's like a "drug" ("drug" in france it's like "cocaine" etc...")
Because french, and france governement are very restrective with product. And creatine is forbiden to sell on sports stores !
08-03-2007, 06:15 PM
I say fix your diet first. Honestly,it looks like sh*t right now. Check out the nutrition section.
What does your training involve?
08-03-2007, 06:18 PM
It's quite difficult to describe my training but I do :
2 series of 8 reps + 2 series of 6 reps (heavier) for an exercice.
I do 4 exercices for each muscle
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