11-oxo vs. Lean Xtreme
- 07-30-2007, 09:35 AM
11-oxo vs. Lean Xtreme
I've used Lean Xtreme w/ success in the past, both as part of the NHA stack and standalone.
In a month or two I want to start using it again, but wondered if anyone has used 11-oxo for the same purposes:
Cortisol control / losing vat (belly fat)
Lean Xtreme uses 7-OH. The dosing is 2 caps, 2-3 x per day. Using the max dose, 1 bottle (90 caps) lasts 15 days.
The dosing for 11-Oxo states: 3-6 caps per day. I know some have been using high dosing for anabolic effects (higher than 6 per day). But for my purposes, would I use 3 caps or 6 caps? If 6 caps, is it 3 in the AM and 3 before bed? If I used 3 caps 1 bottle would last 20 days. 6 caps and 1 bottle would last 10 days.
Lean Xtreme is also about $10 cheaper.
So in addition to the questions regarding 11-oxo dosing, my question is do you think 11-oxo is worth the extra price to see results, or should I simply get another bottle of Lean Xtreme?
- 07-30-2007, 09:48 AM
i think the answer should come from you, my friend
do you want a product that cost less? more?
do you just want fat lose? anabolic effects?
07-30-2007, 10:14 AM
I want a product that will help me to lose fat. If anabolic effects are a "package deal" with that product, that does not bother me one bit.
But I know they are 2 separate things essentially. At least that is my understanding. With 11-oxo, you can either run the product at recommended doses to achieve cortisol control/belly fat loss, or you can run the product at a much higher dose to achieve its anabolic affects.
I'm not really interested in running it at significantly higher doses (how many caps/day for a 200/lber?) due to the fact the price would be pretty high, especially since my primary goal would be for fat loss. Unless I would only need to run around 6 or 7 caps a day. But more than that and I may look into that later...
In terms of price, I really don't care about a $10 difference if the product will actually make a difference (i.e. I'll be able to notice a difference in a good way from taking 11-oxo vs. 7-OH).
But if the fact is that running 11-oxo at 3 caps/day (or even 6 caps/day) won't give me any anabolic effects nor will it improve the fat loss any more than 7-OH would, then I wouldn't pay $10 more for it.
07-30-2007, 10:18 AM
Also, feel free anyone to link me to a thread on 11-oxo dosing for anabolic effects, just to give me some background/perspective - I could not find a link while searching.
(what would you type in for 11-oxo in the search engine? I can't get it to run a search due to the few characters.)
07-30-2007, 11:21 AM
07-30-2007, 11:37 AM
Thanks. That guy did run 3/day and didn't seem that excited about it:
"my libido really diminished, but after a few days going off i was back in full force, i didnt really notice alot from 3/day lot a few pounds and little bit stronger"
I'm not sure if his diet was the same as when he started the log, but he seemed to really be bulking w/ double chipotle burritos and what not, so if he ate tons of crap and still lost a few pounds, I think that would be very solid.
I would be eating my normal diet which is sufficient for a clean/lean bulk. Lots of good healthy carbs (sticky brown rice, whole wheat breads), some unhealthy carbs on occasion (regular pastas) and lots of protein/veggies/black beans.
As one guy said, the majority of people ended up running it around 6+ pills (7 or 8 for around 600 mg/day) for the anabolic effects...
I wouldn't be near that range, at least not for my current goals.... 3-4 at most.
So again, wondering if this would be a better option than Lean Xtreme, given my goals?
07-30-2007, 11:57 AM
seeing how 11-oxo is pretty expensive (for 1 cycle) i personaly would go with the lean xtreme -
however, you may want to look in to x-lean (ibe) - great product
07-30-2007, 01:08 PM
2 bottles 6-OXO:
days 1-10: 6 caps 6-OXO
days 11-20: 4 caps 6-OXO
days 21-30: 2 caps 6-OXO
2 bottles 6-OXO Extreme:
days 1-5: 10 caps 6-OXO Extreme
days 6-10: 8 caps 6-OXO Extreme
days 11-15: 6 caps 6-OXO Extreme
days 16-20: 4 caps 6-OXO Extreme
days 21-25: 2 caps 6-OXO Extreme
So to run such a cycle, you would need 2 bottles of 11-oxo ($39 each) and 2 bottles of either 6-Oxo or 6-Oxo Extreme between $30 and $40 each.
That means the cycle would be about $140-$160.
Vs. a 30 day supply of Lean Xtreme for $31.
I think for now I'll stick w/ LX, but maybe give 11-Oxo a try further down the road, depending on reviews...
07-30-2007, 01:22 PM
11-oxo is a prohormone and is not to be confused with a cort blocker! if you take it you can get shut down also it would require a pct and im not saying an ai im talking about a serm!! i hate companys that label prohormones as other things when there not!!
07-30-2007, 01:25 PM
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07-30-2007, 03:57 PM
07-30-2007, 04:12 PM
I get great results of lx and would stick with it. If you wanted to look into a ph I wouldn't go with 11oxo because it can't be worth the price. If you want to go the ph route you may want to look into furaz type products. I know one guy on here has a log on it and thinks it great. He is leaning out fast without muscle loss. You could probably run lx and furaza combined and it would be cheaper than 11oxo at an effective dose.
07-30-2007, 04:28 PM
07-30-2007, 04:36 PM
07-30-2007, 05:43 PM
it does have a cortisol blocking effect, however it is suppresive not horribly suppresive but it is still suppresive. that is what i dont like about ergo pharm marketing it, PA made a comment making fun of AX saying that he doubted they knew of its cortisol blocking effects. but yet he doesnt seem to make it clear its anabolic effects and that its suppresive. i understand he cant say its anabolic cuz he isnt allowed to do so, which means he shouldnt market it at all
07-30-2007, 06:00 PM
i like this thread... great views!
yeah, PA does not mention 11-OXO having anabolic effects - atleast companys like AX will step up to the plate - kinda like PA with Bonds
07-30-2007, 07:46 PM
from the results i have seen from my clients at the place i work at (nutrition @ work, small nutrition store in champaign, il) i have seen people cut fat, and build muscle, rapidly. 11 oxo is the #1 prohormone out right now, in my opinion.
07-30-2007, 08:45 PM
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07-30-2007, 11:56 PM
07-31-2007, 12:00 AM
07-31-2007, 01:02 PM
matthew76...how would you compare Lean Xtreme to X-Lean...im want to buy either one but im not sure which one. You said X-lean was a great product can you elaborate? Like have you or know someone who has taken it? Thanks
07-31-2007, 01:09 PM
07-31-2007, 05:24 PM
I am on 11-oxo right now and am definatly noticing a difference going into my 10th day. My libido and drive has not dropped at all it has actually gone through the roof. My has had a very nice jump. I am starting to notice i am looking alot leaner. I am running it at 6 pills a day for the first week 7 pills a day for the 2nd week, 8 pills a day for the 3rd and 4th week and based on how i feel and my results i may do a 5th week. The stack is definatly expensive however i will prolly respond alot better than most because i have never used hardcore PH's like superdrol, Pheraplex, M1t or even 1 AD.
07-31-2007, 05:50 PM
sure, i can elaborate - i recently purchased x-lean (with x-dream/force)
i have taking the lean for around 4 days now and have actually felt better on it than i did while taking lean xtreme - joints feel good, i feel good in general
hope this helps
07-31-2007, 06:39 PM
11-oxo is a cortisol blocker and an extremely effective one
it is also a prohormone
we market ours as a cortisol because the recommended dosage is one which is effective for cortisol yet underdoses for prohormone effects
we don't hide the fact that it is an androgenic precursor either, as you can see at the end of the article
07-31-2007, 06:40 PM
07-31-2007, 06:45 PM
i did just read it, so i apoligize for my previous statement. my question is tho, how is it ok for you to sell it? i know its natural that is very clear to me but its anabolic and i thought you werent allowed to sell any thing anabolic in this particular nature (a shame really) also all this aside good job with that interview it was very straightforward. you looked a lil nervous tho
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