Icariin extract is basically concentrated Horny Goat Weed?

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    Question Icariin extract is basically concentrated Horny Goat Weed?


    Looking at the NP site, their HGW is 20% icariin and their [out of stock] Icariin extract is 50%

    So to get the same level of icariin one could simply take a little more than double the amount of HGW compared to the specific icariin extract?



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    I don't know about everyone else, but Icariin (HGW) never did anything for me, even at high doses. Then RPM came around and changed my view on it. I am guessing the higher extract Icariin, coupled along with the precise ratio of other ingredients in RPM, make it the powerhouse that it is.
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    20% HGW did have an effect on me, though it was fairly small and transient and lasted only 10-14 days or so. The 50% Icariin and naringin combo in RPM is much much better and the effects seem to last much longer and are far more pronounced.

    I have taken many grams of the 20% and it has never come close to RPM.
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    I'm aware or your product and Activate Xtreme, which has a 20% extract.. which sounds similar to NP's HGW. Yours is obviously uses the higher potency extract icariin. Both look like very good products with excellent ingredients.

    I think my question was a bit dumb, lol, and the answer is basically: Yes, HGW 20% is a reasonable substitute for the 50% extract if dosed higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzle View Post
    Looking at the NP site, their HGW is 20% icariin and their [out of stock] Icariin extract is 50%

    So to get the same level of icariin one could simply take a little more than double the amount of HGW compared to the specific icariin extract?


    Cheap extractions make cheap products and that was the previous case with HGW in China.
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    The people who make the higher extracts will probably be the same people who make the 20%, I would have thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzle View Post
    The people who make the higher extracts will probably be the same people who make the 20%, I would have thought.

    China makes both 20% extracts. One is cheaper and one is more expensive but the buyer needs to specify specifically.
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    They equal out in dollar per milligram: $1/gram of actual icariin. Buying one is the same as buying the other.
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    A lot of good posting above- and I concur with all of it- it all comes down to extraction % when it comes to herbs- the higher the extract %, the more effective the product is for any given quality. However, this is not a cost-effective option for a lot of companies, b/c the higher the extraction %, the higher the cost for any given herb........

    That being said- we have a SOLID supplier of 50% icariin, and it is not cheap, but we know that we are getting quality product, and we pass that on to our customers
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    A lot of good posting above- and I concur with all of it- it all comes down to extraction % when it comes to herbs- the higher the extract %, the more effective the product is for any given quality. However, this is not a cost-effective option for a lot of companies, b/c the higher the extraction %, the higher the cost for any given herb........

    That being said- we have a SOLID supplier of 50% icariin, and it is not cheap, but we know that we are getting quality product, and we pass that on to our customers
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    Quote Originally Posted by xjsynx View Post
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    That sounds painful xj
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    What are the doesing recommendationd for the Icariin 50%, I didn;t see it on the web page.
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    I saw a 99% icariin somewhere online, not sure if it was a us supplier though...
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    I saw it too but couldn't pull anything up on it..from a funky and probably outdated chinese site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogsoldier View Post
    What are the doesing recommendationd for the Icariin 50%, I didn;t see it on the web page.
    Start with 600 mg/day.
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    ah but in my experience with the NP and CNW folks products, they make very good stuff... so I'll go with them.
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    As opposed to the 99%?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanbane View Post
    As opposed to the 99%?
    maybe.
    I was actually thinking of running both of them in 8 week cycles ... with a month between each at the recommended doses by the manufacturer to see which gives the better effects.
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    I was taking 500mg-1gram a day of 50% for 2 weeks.. ive been off for a week now...

    I still am getting way harder erections, i swear they go hard like im on viagra...

    Other than that, i noticed a general better sense of well being!

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    sounds like the 50 seems to work well.
    has it helped any athletically or no noted effects there?

    I am trying to really slim down my supps...get a few with multiple purposes... . and that seems like it might be nice....
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyverX View Post
    I saw a 99% icariin somewhere online, not sure if it was a us supplier though...
    I got some quotes from several china companies on sample sizes of 99%. They were asking something like $1700 for 50g. After getting several quotes on the different prices, I've concluded that 40-50% extracts are the highest quality within a reasonable price range.
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    Wow, yeah 50% works alright by me.
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    The purpose of selling a product is to get people to buy it. This can become difficult if they can't afford it. The lower extracts are going for less than 1/10th the cost for an entire kilogram. So yeah, 8-10x as much active for over 10x less.
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    Who has it? I've looked at Nutraplanet and a coule others. They all seem to be out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanbane View Post
    As opposed to the 99%?
    i found it.
    It was some european site.
    I wonder if they will tell me their supplier so I can confirm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    I got some quotes from several china companies on sample sizes of 99%. They were asking something like $1700 for 50g. After getting several quotes on the different prices, I've concluded that 40-50% extracts are the highest quality within a reasonable price range.
    There is no natural substance that could justify the cost of $300 a gram. That is just stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedevil74 View Post
    There is no natural substance that could justify the cost of $300 a gram. That is just stupid.
    You have yet to learn about prototype pricing.

    It's not the herb or the compound that costs all the $$$, it's paying for someone to extract it at such a purity.
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    I got a quote from a company for 80% and 60%

    Epimedium PE 80% - $700.00 kg.
    " PE 60% - $390.00 kg.

    Hopefully they will send me a sample.
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