Capping bulk powders

[nycste]

So i created this thread because after searching the forums for a few pages i couldnt find thatmuch detailed info on one page

so im interested in capping my own stuff.

capping kits appear to come in 3 sizes 0, 00, 000.

do the capping kits remain the same but the campers? no idea what they are different sizes and that allows you to fill sizes 0, 00, 000 properly?

if people could spread some light on this by all means do so not only for me but for anyone interested in this. thanks.

 

[nycste]

stolen from bulk written by DT just to get some info out there


This option is useful for those who would rather take pills then mix powder in a drink a few times daily, and is especially convenient if doses are being taken throughout the day. It is also helpful for powders with a strong taste. To put powders in capsules, a Cap Em Quik and empty capsules can be used (these can be found in the capping supplies section of the store). The Cap Em Quik is very easy to use, and with a little practice, it takes 5-10 minutes per 50 capsules. The size 00 capsules are the best deal, as the 000 size capsules hold more but are disproportionately more expensive. If you are not going for pure volume, and want less material per capsule, the size 0 capsules also work well.

To tell how much of the supplement is in each capsule, just divide the quantity of powder used by the number of capsules it took to encapsulate all of the powder. For example, if you use 100 grams of powder, and end up with 180 capsules, there is about 550 mg of powder in each capsule (100 grams divided by 180). Another option is to weigh a few capsules with a scale, and take the average weight minus the weight of an empty capsule. A mixture of powders can also be made as described above and then put into capsules. The easiest way to do this is encapsulate all of the supplements you plan on taking for a certain period of time. For example, mix together a one month supply of each powder you plan on taking, put it all into capsules, then count the capsules and divide that number by 30 to get how many capsules you should take daily.

Trying to get a certain amount of an ingredient per capsule is more difficult, but can be done using a filler and some trial and error. Maltodextrin, or just about any other powder, can be used as filler. Mix the filler and the active substance together in a certain ratio (such as 50/50), and then make some capsules. Then find out the amount of powder in each capsule using one of the methods described above – by weighing the capsules or dividing the amount of powder used by the amount of capsules made. From this you can determine how much active is in each capsule, and then change the ratio of filler to active ingredient accordingly to get the desired amount in each capsule. Once you get an idea of the density of the filler you are using, this process becomes a lot easier.

 

[SirRyanM]

ok?

 

[nycste]

ok?

trolls are kewl.


Anyone who caps plz share any info to help others who wanna start capping their own bulk powders and stuff.

 

[nycste]

found this here http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/24702-filler-capping-your.html

You don't weigh out each individual dose.

Although there are easier methods out there when it comes to capping orals they produce results that are somewhat less than accurate. I (SV-1) decided to write this article to show you step by step how to produce caps with a high level of accuracy. Credit goes to AnabolicMaster, ColdStone and Lozgod who helped make this possible.

Things you will need to make your caps.

1. A capping device and empty gel caps. The two most popular capping devices are the "Cap-M-Quick" and "The Capsule Machine". The cap-m-quick does 50 caps at a time but you have to manually join the caps by hand. The capsule machine only does 24 caps at a time but automatically joins them for you. Both of these devices can be purchased to use either size "0" or "00" caps (size "0" caps are smaller than size "00"). I prefer the capsule machine and size "0" caps, but either device in either size is fine.

2. A scale to weigh the powders you'll be using to make your caps. I recommend either the Palmscale 5.0 which is accurate to 0.1g and has a capacity of 200g (cost approx $60), or the GemPro-50 which is accurate to 0.002g and has a capacity of 10g (cost approx $150).

3. The powdered version of the compound that you plan on capping. Oral compounds such as Anavar, DNP, Clomid, Dbol, Nolva and Winny make good capping choices. However compounds such as Clen, T3, Femara and Arimidex should never be capped because of their small dose amounts and the inherent inaccuracies of the capping process.

4. A powdered filler that will be used to take up the space in the caps that the active compound doesn't. Almost anything can be used as a filler, Protein Powder, Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate), Corn Starch, Flour, Creatine, Lactose, Glutamine, etc.

5. A mortar and pestle to thoroughly mix the active compound and filler together. Many compounding pharmacies use a mortar and pestle to mix their ingredients together for capping and if it's good enough for them it's good enough for me.


Now that we have everything necessary to make our caps here's how we do it. For the example below I'll use the capsule machine to make 48 caps with 100mg of Aspirin (active compound) and Baking Soda (filler).

1. Load 24 empty caps into the capsule machine, then fill all 24 caps with Baking Soda (tamping powder if final caps will be tamped).

2. Empty all the Baking Soda out of the capsule machine and weigh it. Total weight = 17,160mg

3. Divide that weight (17,160mg) by the number of capsules (24) to get the total weight per cap. 17,160mg / 24 = 715mg a cap.

4. Repeat these steps with the Aspirin powder. Total weight = 11,760mg / 24 = 490mg a cap.

5. Now we need to figure out the ratio of Aspirin to Baking Soda.

100mg Aspirin = Unknown mg of Baking Soda

490mg Aspirin = 715mg Baking Soda


(100mg Aspirin x 715mg Baking Soda) / 490mg Aspirin = 146mg of Baking Soda (this is the Unknown mg of Baking Soda, and how much must be removed to make space for 100mg of Aspirin)


715mg Baking Soda - 146mg = 569mg Baking Soda (this is how much Baking Soda to use per cap)


569mg Baking Soda x 48 caps = 27,312mg Baking Soda

100mg Aspirin x 48 caps = 4800mg Aspirin

So to make 48 100mg Aspirin caps we need 4800mg of Aspirin powder and 27,312mg of Baking Soda.


This is where the simpler methods fail and give inaccurate results. As the chart below shows, different compounds (like Aspirin and Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate)) weigh different amounts for the same volume. If we had simply subtracted 100mg from the Baking Soda we would not have had properly dosed caps, because to fit in 100mg of Aspirin we needed to subtract 146mg of Baking Soda.

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Now that we know how much active compound and filler to use (Aspirin and Baking Soda) we need to mix them together. To do this we'll use a mortar and pestle with the geometric dilution method, which was introduced to me by pharmguy24 on AU. What's the geometric dilution method you ask? It's a method used when a small amount of powder needs to be *thoroughly* mixed with a larger amount of powder. To do this you mix all of the smaller powder with an approximately equal amount of the larger powder, this blend is called "mix 1". Then combine all of your "mix 1" with an equal amount of the larger powder and blend again, this is "mix 2". Keep going like this until all the powders have been mixed together.

So we place all of the Aspirin powder (the smaller amount of the two different powders) in the mortar and add an equal amount of the Baking Soda (approximately 4800mg), then blend them together with the pestle for a couple of minutes. This combination is our mix 1, and it is now 9600mg (4800mg Aspirin + 4800mg Baking Soda). After it's been blended for a few minutes add an equal amount of Baking Soda (9800mg) to your mix 1 and blend for a couple more minutes. This combination is our mix 2 and is 19,200mg (9800mg from mix 1 + 9800mg Baking Soda). After it's been blended for a few minutes add the remaining Baking Soda (12912mg) to your mix 2 and blend for a couple more minutes.

Why go to this extra trouble? Because even though we know the amounts of Aspirin and Baking Soda we're using are dead on, our caps will not be dosed properly if the powders are not mixed together very thoroughly.


Now we're ready to make our caps.

1. Load both the base and top of the capsule machine with the empty gel caps (the bottom should already be loaded from weighing the powder for mixing).

2. Place the base on its stand and pour the mixed powder over the empty caps, then spread it around using the supplied plastic card so all the caps are filled.

2a. Optional: At this point you can tamp the powder down and add more powder to the caps increasing the amount they can hold. But because what we want to cap fits fine without doing that we didn't calculate for it and wont be doing it.

3. Attach the top of the capsule machine (which contains the other halves of the caps) to the base.

4. Remove the capsule machine from its stand and press it down on your work surface applying even pressure to join the caps.

5. Remove the top from the capsule machine and press against the spring loaded plate on its back to eject the finished caps.

6. Repeat these steps until all your caps are made.


Follow these guidelines and you too can make your own accurately dosed caps.

 

[Ubiquitous]

SV-1's way is good. follow that one.. there are a few ways to do it, but he outlined his pretty well.

I personally only have used OO's.. so I can't answer your tamper question, but it stands to reason that it would all be sized per cap size if that makes any sense..

You will save a lot of money, but be prepared for monotonous work capping your own supps months in advance..

 

[nycste]

SV-1's way is good. follow that one.. there are a few ways to do it, but he outlined his pretty well.

I personally only have used OO's.. so I can't answer your tamper question, but it stands to reason that it would all be sized per cap size if that makes any sense..

You will save a lot of money, but be prepared for monotonous work capping your own supps months in advance..

thx for stopping by ubi. gnight ttyl

 

[neoborn]

Ty nyste I will be needing this information very soon and you're totally right a one stop shop thread for this subject was definitely needed.

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