[USPLabs]

Originally Posted by Proteinpowda

Logs are not exactly a scientific way of researching a compound. To each his own though.

who claimed it was a scientific approach?

Not many supplements have extensive human data besides creatine.

[grexx]

Anabbolic Pump at 4-6 caps/day

Super Cissus at 6 caps/day

Powerfull at 6 caps/day (3 in the AM on an EMPTY stomach and 3 before bed on an EMPTY stomach)

An outstanding product stack.....If you don't get results from this, either your diet and training are inadequate or you are dosing them incorrectly

[Lanbane]

Originally Posted by grexx

Anabbolic Pump at 4-6 caps/day

Super Cissus at 6 caps/day

Powerfull at 6 caps/day (3 in the AM on an EMPTY stomach and 3 before bed on an EMPTY stomach)

An outstanding product stack.....If you don't get results from this, either your diet and training are inadequate or you are dosing them incorrectly

OR they simply do not work for you. Cissus and Powerfull are 2 awesome products. AP did not work for me. The consumer must weigh benefit vs. side effects..... and when the severity of the diarrhea nearly causes your colon to fall out..... you don't just accept it and enjoy the pump.

I admit I am in the minority, and I am not calling AP a scam. Simply trying to say that you cannot say a non-responder does not know what they are doing.

[crader]

Anabolic pump did not work for me. It gave me terrible headaches that made me sick in the gym. But thats just me..
edited to add it triggered my miigraines so I couldnt workout effectively which the gym was my whole point for taking it. I stuck it out for about 3 weeks and it was just killing my gym time. So while it was bad for me, it works for others.

[xjsynx]

Originally Posted by Lanbane

...and when the severity of the diarrhea nearly causes your colon to fall out..... you don't just accept it and enjoy the pump.

I admit I am in the minority, and I am not calling AP a scam. Simply trying to say that you cannot say a non-responder does not know what they are doing.

Your colon is overrated, get a colostomy bag

[TeamSavage]

Originally Posted by Proteinpowda

Logs are not exactly a scientific way of researching a compound.

I nominate this for "Understatement of the Year".

[TeamSavage]

Originally Posted by Proteinpowda

If you want to convince me that AP works as claims do a cheap and simple study.....
It's supposed to regulate blood sugar levels so get 20 volunteers Put 10 in one group and 10 in the other and glucose test their sugar after a meal with and without AP. It should be double-blind.
Also measure other markers of insulin sensitivity, adiponectin for one, etc.
Granted I've seen a study or two on your products that looks promising, especially the few lb weight loss drop caused by the stuff...but test your actual stuff. That's the cheapest and easiest way to do it; few thumb pricks on a stick.

Yes that would be helpful. A few people did this for Glucophase and found that it did, in fact, lower blood sugar significantly. No surprise there, though, as ALA is known to do this. Only problem with Glucophase is that it opens GLUT4 on both muscle and fat, so AP's supposedly selective mechanism seemed intriguing. I used it for 4 months and wasn't sure it did anything... but I was also cutting for most of that and taking other things so it's hard to tell.

[bulls**t]

Originally Posted by TeamSavage

Yes that would be helpful. A few people did this for Glucophase and found that it did, in fact, lower blood sugar significantly. No surprise there, though, as ALA is known to do this. Only problem with Glucophase is that it opens GLUT4 on both muscle and fat, so AP's supposedly selective mechanism seemed intriguing. I used it for 4 months and wasn't sure it did anything... but I was also cutting for most of that and taking other things so it's hard to tell.

How would one go about quantitatively evaluating a nutrient partioner?

[Sunder]

Originally Posted by USPLabs

The before and after pictures are legit. We did choose the best ones, but legit. I'm not here to convince but offer insight.

Maybe there are some new pics (I only saw the ones on this site banner), but I have to say that I could barely notice any difference in the before and after pic.
AND I found that refreshing and honest.
They did the obvious better lighting and used oil, but I think I've programmed myself to see beyond these common things. All I saw was a very slight improvement if any. Unlike other before/after pics where you can barely tell it's the same person, this one seemed the most realistic to me and didn't setup unrealistic expectations.

I'll be honest - I'm not 100% sure AP is "working" for me. Then again, I can't say it's not. I don't get the "pump" thing from it, that much I know. Also, unlike 99% of this board, I am unsure Cissus is really working for me. But I bought a bunch in bulk, and I'm going to keep on using it. Makes me think of those "vitamins" that ppl say aren't "working" for them either, lol.

What I do love is PowerFull.
Am I gaining strength from it? Dunno.
Size? Dunno.
Testosterone increase? Dunno. Not taking a blood test.
Do I know it's working? Dunno. I know it's doing "something".

I do know I sleep better with it AND I wake up every single morning with a long lasting woody, lol. That doesn't mean it's upping my test levels, but it psychologically makes me think it is. It also makes me wake up happier than without it. :P So it's a staple in my book now.

I'm definitely my body these past few months. Maybe it's AP/Cissus/PowerFull. Maybe it's the overdosed BCAA's. Maybe it's the Leutor that I started taking after. Dunno. Right now, I'm doing the "kitchen sink" method instead of "isolating" individual supps. Why? Well, where I live, summer is extremely short - so I don't care what's working right now, as long as something works, lol.

But in all seriousness, I think Powerfull and bulk Cissus (cuz of price) are staples for me, as well as lots of BCAA's. I'm honestly thinking the Leukic knockoff is working for me too, because when I mega-dosed BCAA's before, I didn't get the same results.

Anyways, my original point is that I like the before/after pic for AP as opposed to the MuscleTech/EAS ones.

[TeamSavage]

Originally Posted by bulls**t

How would one go about quantitatively evaluating a nutrient partioner?

That is a tough one. I don't think there's an easy way to do it. But at least if there were blood sugar tests on AP, we'd know that it was having a significant effect, even if this didn't confirm that it was selectively targeting muscle over fat.

[Proteinpowda]

TeamSavage:
That's why I only reccomended blood sugar testing. If wanted to see what GLUT proteins it was activating we'd be looking at some very very expensive studies involving radioisotopes etc.
Anyway I'm going to end the posting on this thread here. I don't feel like causing an internet forum war.
Later

[Giantz11]

I doubled and even tripled the dose with no effects. Sucks for me....

[same_old]

i can say with 99% certainty that taking AP lowers my blood sugar...either that or somebody went through a great deal of effort to make a product that EXACTLY mimics the effects of lowered blood sugar

[Joint Fracture]

I read several logs and was eagerly anticipating the product.
I very much wanted a positive result.

I'm now starting month 5 and have had poor results. I even purchased more thinking the effects would become noticeable after the body sensitized to it. I've tweaked carbs as well.

Sadly, other than some pump effect, I can't say I've responded in any significant way. BF% about the same (despite increasing cardio so much, I wound up in the orthopedists office with a bad knee).

When my current supply is exhausted, I'll retire this supplement.

[bpmartyr]

One of the guys who was logging (BigPete) is type 1 and regularly checks blood levels. He claimed a significant change with AP.

Not a placebo controlled double blind university super dooper fantastiko study, but interesting to me.