CLA- lab reports from ConsumerLabs
- 06-23-2007, 07:37 AM
- 06-23-2007, 08:23 AM
What I still find concerning is the inconclusive and sometimes contradiction in studies regarding insulin resistance.
They do in some cases mention it being in obese people, but at what level of body fat do they consider someone to be obese. People who are using it are using it for fat loss, so inherent in their application is their state or level of obesity, to whatever level that state is. Additionally, people who do not know their their predisposition, family history of diabetes or current state of insulin management (how many people on this board do you imagine actually get blood work) may be doing harm to themselves. Then add in the fact that steroid use is known to be detrimental to HDL and insulin management CLA could be a further detriment to one unsuspecting individuals predisposition to related health conditions.
Quite candidly I wanted to use it but knowing what I know about it and knowing enough about my health, blood work profiles, and those contradictions in studies, I choose not to.
What do you think John?Life is a terminal condition.
06-23-2007, 08:46 AM
For obesity standards most studies use the body mass index with general assumptions that BMI's over 24(even then some studies varie the protocol) are lumped into the obese catagory. What I find interesting is that the isomer is purported to increase weightloss, yet some find it to decrease insulin sensativity. Think of type I diabetics, some, if confronted with bodydysmorphia, like to utilize the "skip a shot" dose for dramatic weightloss, and shift their body into ketosis thru decreased glucose utilization. You can imagine they loose a lot of weight this way(very unhealthy).
Now according to the findings with CLA, basically it MAY decrease glucose utilization, making it easier to shift to ketosis in a normal individual(my theory). Could this be one of the primary ways it causes weightloss? Couple that with the findings that it blocks SREBP enzymes that upregulate fatty acid synthesis genes in the prescence of glucose and you have a potent weightloss compound albeit not very healthy for a health market product. Hmmmm.....
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
06-23-2007, 09:49 AM
06-23-2007, 10:15 AM
06-23-2007, 12:11 PM
Guys, your missinforming what I was meaning. I wasn't alluding to the fact that it's another way to lose weight. I was mentioning that it's a common, VERY unhealthy occurence seen with some diabetics, and it seems plausable that if CLA makes you desensatize to insulin... in theory, could be one of the ways it's exerting it's leaning effects(NOT GOOD!!!). It doesn't bode well with the idea of CLA for weightloss at all.
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
06-23-2007, 12:30 PM
No, I don't think thesinner was disagreeing with you, JMO
I would believe, its further evidence in support of the possibly unhealthy mechanism, and subsequent fat loss, using CLA.
Life is a terminal condition.
06-23-2007, 12:46 PM
I'm actually liking your theory of this being a plausable reasoning to CLA's fatloss properties. Although, I was never under the impression that CLA was all that effective in the first place, the recent threads started by B5150 have got me interested in learning more about CLA.
06-23-2007, 02:21 PM
Studies have shown CLA does work - but at doses MUCH higher than recommended by most supplement companies.
It's something in the 4 to 6 g/day range.
06-23-2007, 02:34 PM
06-23-2007, 03:45 PM
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06-23-2007, 04:22 PM
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