PWO Shake - What do you see as essential?
06-22-2007 10:29 PM
06-23-2007 01:07 AM
Running with the Big Boys
BCAAs before and druing, WPI+oats and fruit for post WO.
06-23-2007 02:25 AM
I mix 2 scoops (instead of full 3) of Universal's Torrent with an extra 35grams of WMS and that adds up to 70gr of carbs. It's been treating me well. Kinda expensive though.
06-23-2007 10:33 AM
WMS (will be switching to this from maltodextrin+dextrose when i run out)
06-24-2007 08:30 PM
I stick with the basic BCAA's before, during, after.
Water + Whey + Dextrose Hasn't let me down yet.
06-24-2007 08:47 PM
Right now as I'm trying to gain strength and size I take in
a whole wheat bagel, 2 scoops of isolate, and 2 cups of milk pre-workout
6 scoops of Xtend before, during, and after working (just sip it on the way to to the gym, during, and if I dont finish it all Ill just finish it over the course of the day)
Post workout I typically have a whole wheat bagel and 2 scoops isolate, 2 cups of milk, and like to have either a half to a whole banana.
I find this works well and I also love whole wheat bagels so my pre and post workout meals are by far my favorite.
06-24-2007 11:12 PM
Seems fun to me
Originally Posted by OCCFan023
06-25-2007 04:27 AM
Mine is similar pre/post workout.. minus the bagels.
Originally Posted by OCCFan023
Pre - oats, wpi and a fruit e.g. strawberries
Post- oats, wpi and a banana
.. sometimes I'll add in some yoghurt, but otherwise, they are probably my favourite meals too, probably because I'm pretty ravenous in the mornings though!
06-25-2007 05:56 AM
yea definitly, probably also has to do with the easy of the meals too. I also train in the morning and there so easy to get in that its a relief as opposed to the rest lol.
06-26-2007 04:19 PM
This was interesting, although I hoped on more replies, but I only see chaos' mix as a real "combo".
So is it not neccessary to try to mix it up with alot of ****?
chaos: Have you noticed any difference going from the "basics" to the stack you're using now?
06-27-2007 12:26 AM
It doesn't have to be a real "combo". My PWO is whey, oats and water, and it works for me so I'm not going to make it more complicated or expensive than it needs to be.
Originally Posted by Warhead
06-27-2007 01:46 AM
its not necessary to mix a bunch of stuff and many people just keep it simple with protein and carbs.
during PWO your body can best use protein, carbs, amino acids, and creatine. so its smart to take these at this time.
protein should be obvious PWO, so i dont think i need to explain further.
your body can best absorb amino acids and creatine so i take 1 scoop of Xtend (i dont take 2 since i get some BCAA's from my whey), and a half a scoop of Clout.
carbs restore glycogen and help shuttle nutrients to your muscles. a combo of maltodextrin and glucose has long been a popular choice, but now WMS seems to be a better choice due to its higher molecular weight. both will work great tho. also you need 4ml of water to store every gram of carbohydrates as glycogen, so dont forget to drink plenty of water PWO as well.
beta-alanine, citrulline malate, and cissus are all good choices and have plenty of research to back them. CM stimulates phosphocreatine recovery and helps recover faster, BA produces carnosine, and cissus helps strenghten your joints.
as far as results using this stack as compared to using just whey+carbs, i have noticed a bit of a difference. nothing huge to where i would swear by using my method, but results seem to be coming faster than they used to.
06-27-2007 12:20 PM
20-35g dextrose (adjusted based on cutting, maintenance, or bulk phase)
20-35g maltodextrin (adjusted based on cutting, maintenance, or bulk phase)
4g creatine - optional
That's it. I like to keep things simple. Although I am going to add BCAA into my pre, during, and post WO and see if it makes a difference.
06-27-2007 01:26 PM
06-27-2007 03:35 PM
chaos: yeah, I just use the basics now, but I thought about adding more into it, and also sipping some troughout the work-out to see some differences and changes.
As you can see in the other thread, I'm wondering about what to add to where
06-27-2007 08:43 PM
2g Beta Alanine
06-28-2007 12:02 PM
Essential? Protein + carbs. For me, this usually means bread & meat or a whole wheat bagel & whey pre-workout, and whey & whole wheat bread post-workout.
Essential, in shake form? Whey protein + dextrose/maltodextrin.
BCAAs are important, but whey protein is already chock full of BCAAs, and there's no evidence that additional BCAAs (above and beyond what's in 30-40g whey) really do anything. The exception might be leucine, which has some pretty interesting properties, so sometimes I add extra leucine to my shakes (not really an essential, though).
06-28-2007 10:10 PM
Originally Posted by TeamSavage
06-28-2007 10:18 PM
i thought i read somewhere that taking protein before a workout was not good? Was an old post Bobo had mentioned this I believe..
06-29-2007 02:20 PM
Hmmm... If Bobo said that then I'm pretty sure you misunderstood what he said. Pre-workout nutrition is probably just as important as post-workout nutrition, and Bobo has said as much. And the most critical part of pre-workout nutrition is aminos in the form of protein. It's better to eat about an hour before the workout as opposed to immediately before, to allow the protein time to digest.
Originally Posted by propho
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