Is NOW Foods 7-Keto actually effective for fat loss purposes or is something like 7-Keto MuscLean better than also includes some other ingredients?
I think you could be onto something there.......Think Now 7-Keto with RPM which I am using now would be sufficient or could RPM and Musclean be used together?
I think you could be onto something there.......
RPM and NOW would be fine, RPM and Musclean would be even better assuming you can handle stims well.
Heck, I may try this stack out myself.....
I think you could be onto something there.......
RPM and NOW would be fine, RPM and Musclean would be even better assuming you can handle stims well.
Heck, I may try this stack out myself.....
I do plan on running them together, just gotta get some Musclean up in here. Beverly has a buy 2 get 1 free thing.... order more than $87 and get a t-shirt free. Not bad....
PMed
I assume you got my PM.... you'll be fine so don't stress. Might wanna start a bit lower and work in over the course of the first week or so.
I can take RPM and go to bed..... stims don't phase me. lol Someone not used to stim products might get a beatdown from a Musclean/RPM stack.
Shred-XS by Millennium Sport Technologies may be worth looking at. As a formula, it contains 7-Keto-DHEA as well as other impressive fat-burning compounds. In any case, a combo is, in general, usually preferable to a stand-alone.Is NOW Foods 7-Keto actually effective for fat loss purposes or is something like 7-Keto MuscLean better than also includes some other ingredients?
Shred-XS by Millennium Sport Technologies may be worth looking at. As a formula, it contains 7-Keto-DHEA as well as other impressive fat-burning compounds. In any case, a combo is, in general, usually preferable to a stand-alone.
Funny you should mention Shred-XS....used a bottle of it when it first came out and was quite impressed. After comparing the two products, they seem to be very similar.
Indeed, there are some similarities in the compounds used in the two formulations. In my opinion though, I particularly like the inclusion of Coleus Forskohlii, an advanced form of L-Tyrosine (L-Tyrosine-AKG), superior antioxidants, as well as powerful adaptogenic compounds in the Shred-XS formula. Not to mention Cha’ de Bugre. In my eyes, these compounds, in combination, turn out to make Shred-XS one of the most complete fat-loss formulations around. For the price at NutraPlanet, it is a solid deal.
I am not sure, though, how much 7-Keto-DHEA is included in Shred-XS. Available clinical studies appear to have used 200mg daily to generate the fat-burning results. This would imply, that you would have to ingest 6 capsules of 7-Keto-MuscLean to benefit from the desired full-impact of 7-Keto-DHEA.
Whatever choice you make, good luck with your goal.
You might want to summarize your experience with the formula you end up using (or are currently using) in a future thread contribution.
Shred-XS is definately a more complete product being that it is thermogenic, thyrogenic and adaptogenic. In essence the only similarities are the are the 7-Keto and green tea extract. We are actually dropping the 7-oxo dhea out of Shred-XS and replacing it with more Coleus Forskohlii and 3,5,diiodo-l-tyrosine. We feel this actually makes the product more effective as a fat burning agent.
We do have a new purely Thyrogenic formula coming out soon that is very strong if you are looking for something purely thyrogenic and non stim.
Shred-XS is definately a more complete product being that it is thermogenic, thyrogenic and adaptogenic. In essence the only similarities are the are the 7-Keto and green tea extract. We are actually dropping the 7-oxo dhea out of Shred-XS and replacing it with more Coleus Forskohlii and 3,5,diiodo-l-tyrosine. We feel this actually makes the product more effective as a fat burning agent.
We do have a new purely Thyrogenic formula coming out soon that is very strong if you are looking for something purely thyrogenic and non stim.
If you think that 50mg of 7-oxo per serving is overly effective. In my opinion it's not and we are doing the customer a favor by making a more effective product opposed to a nicer "looking" fact panel. 200mgs of 7-OXO combined with the rest would be great, but; it's just not cost effective or synergistic in this formula. To squeeze it into the serving size something else synergistic to the formula would have to go. I personally think that 7-OXO is overrated in this formula and is pretty much out performed in the thyrogenic realm by the synergistic combination of Coleus, 3,5,diiodo-l-tyrosine (T2)and Ashwagandha. I know we added the ashwagandha to the adaptogenic blend but it is very thyrogenic as well. Keep in mind that the Coleus content went up more than 50mg and the extract went from a 10% to 20% actives content effectively more than doubling the forskolin content. Double the forskolin truly out weighs the loss of 7-OXO.I am surprised to hear you guys are dropping the 7-oxo dhea from Shred-XS. Thought that was one of, if not the most effective fat loss supplements?
If you think that 50mg of 7-oxo per serving is overly effective. In my opinion it's not and we are doing the customer a favor by making a more effective product opposed to a nicer "looking" fact panel. 200mgs of 7-OXO combined with the rest would be great, but; it's just not cost effective or synergistic in this formula. To squeeze it into the serving size something else synergistic to the formula would have to go. I personally think that 7-OXO is overrated in this formula and is pretty much out performed in the thyrogenic realm by the synergistic combination of Coleus, 3,5,diiodo-l-tyrosine (T2)and Ashwagandha. I know we added the ashwagandha to the adaptogenic blend but it is very thyrogenic as well. Keep in mind that the Coleus content went up more than 50mg and the extract went from a 10% to 20% actives content effectively more than doubling the forskolin content. Double the forskolin truly out weighs the loss of 7-OXO.
We've opted to put 7-oxo in a stand alone thyrogenic product in a more effective clinical dose.
The key to the Shred-XS blend is synergy of the ingredients. We wanted a nearly 1:1:1 ratio of Thermogenic, Thyrogenic to Adaptogenic ingredients to provide balance. I feel we've kept that balance while making the product work better.
Thanks for everyone's support!
If you think that 50mg of 7-oxo per serving is overly effective. In my opinion it's not and we are doing the customer a favor by making a more effective product opposed to a nicer "looking" fact panel. 200mgs of 7-OXO combined with the rest would be great, but; it's just not cost effective or synergistic in this formula. To squeeze it into the serving size something else synergistic to the formula would have to go. I personally think that 7-OXO is overrated in this formula and is pretty much out performed in the thyrogenic realm by the synergistic combination of Coleus, 3,5,diiodo-l-tyrosine (T2)and Ashwagandha. I know we added the ashwagandha to the adaptogenic blend but it is very thyrogenic as well. Keep in mind that the Coleus content went up more than 50mg and the extract went from a 10% to 20% actives content effectively more than doubling the forskolin content. Double the forskolin truly out weighs the loss of 7-OXO.
We've opted to put 7-oxo in a stand alone thyrogenic product in a more effective clinical dose.
The key to the Shred-XS blend is synergy of the ingredients. We wanted a nearly 1:1:1 ratio of Thermogenic, Thyrogenic to Adaptogenic ingredients to provide balance. I feel we've kept that balance while making the product work better.
Thanks for everyone's support!
If you think that 50mg of 7-oxo per serving is overly effective. In my opinion it's not and we are doing the customer a favor by making a more effective product opposed to a nicer "looking" fact panel. 200mgs of 7-OXO combined with the rest would be great, but; it's just not cost effective or synergistic in this formula. To squeeze it into the serving size something else synergistic to the formula would have to go. I personally think that 7-OXO is overrated in this formula and is pretty much out performed in the thyrogenic realm by the synergistic combination of Coleus, 3,5,diiodo-l-tyrosine (T2)and Ashwagandha. I know we added the ashwagandha to the adaptogenic blend but it is very thyrogenic as well. Keep in mind that the Coleus content went up more than 50mg and the extract went from a 10% to 20% actives content effectively more than doubling the forskolin content. Double the forskolin truly out weighs the loss of 7-OXO.
We've opted to put 7-oxo in a stand alone thyrogenic product in a more effective clinical dose.
The key to the Shred-XS blend is synergy of the ingredients. We wanted a nearly 1:1:1 ratio of Thermogenic, Thyrogenic to Adaptogenic ingredients to provide balance. I feel we've kept that balance while making the product work better.
Thanks for everyone's support!
I'm sorry fellas, I may not have clarified this but the change in coleus and 7-oxo is to the regular Shred-XS formula. The Shred-Hardcore is a completely different formula altogether. It incorporates a higher stimulant content and double the adaptogenic content than Shred-XS and does not include any thyrogenic ingredients other than Ashwagandha. We gave the Hardcore version more of a stimulating kick while providing the adrenals comparable protection.
I'm sorry I didn't clarify that in my earlier posts. The Shred-Hardcore is for those who want a higher stimulant product but still need adaptogenic protection. We developed the stand alone full potency thyrogenic product to accompany the Shred-Hardcore as a suitable stack as well.
Thanks again for the kind words and support!
I'm sorry fellas, I may not have clarified this but the change in coleus and 7-oxo is to the regular Shred-XS formula. The Shred-Hardcore is a completely different formula altogether. It incorporates a higher stimulant content and double the adaptogenic content than Shred-XS and does not include any thyrogenic ingredients other than Ashwagandha. We gave the Hardcore version more of a stimulating kick while providing the adrenals comparable protection.
I'm sorry I didn't clarify that in my earlier posts. The Shred-Hardcore is for those who want a higher stimulant product but still need adaptogenic protection. We developed the stand alone full potency thyrogenic product to accompany the Shred-Hardcore as a suitable stack as well.
Thanks again for the kind words and support!
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