Feedback on Avant's SyntheSIZE?

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  1. Feedback on Avant's SyntheSIZE?


    I'm looking for feedback on Avant Labs' SyntheSIZE. I'm willing to give it a shot if people have had some positive experience with it.

    Also, do you think it would be as beneficial on a cut as it would a bulk?


  2. Well, I ordered it anyways. I plan on using it with the ECA stack and mega-dosing BCAAs to retain muscle. We'll see if this helps.

    I'm also going to see if I can pick up some Glucosamine HCl as well to mix with this, since apparently that's what the old Leptigen Mass was.

    Still, any feedback about this product would be great.
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  3. I have it, but haven't taken it yet.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by xjsynx View Post
    I have it, but haven't taken it yet.
    Aight, mine should be in either tomorrow(Saturday) or Monday. Let me know how it works out for you and how you plan to use it.

  5. I went from 174 to about 188 in about 10 weeks.

    It's great stuff. Just wait until our other two pre-workout drinks come out.

    Holy moly- talk about the holy grail of pre-workout/anabolic supplementation.

    Buy up the beta while you can.
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  6. Also, if you look over at M & M, you'll find the tester feedback on it.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage View Post
    Also, if you look over at M & M, you'll find the tester feedback on it.
    Great googly moogly. That's a nice gain...were you taking anything else? If not, this is going to be more of a recomp than a cut for me(ECA+Mega-Dose BCAA+Synthesize). I'm amazed that you got such good results without taking any kind of natural anabolic. In fact, that's probably better than most people do on them.

    Also, thank you for pointing me towards some reviews.


    While you're here, I have a question or two. I've never used any of the Leptigen series, but I have read up on what I could about the products and reviews. I bought some glucosamine HCl pills to take with the Synthesize. Is this a good idea if I'm cutting/recomping? I've read conflicting info on this site and another site(not sure if it was M&M or not).

    I guess what is the difference with taking the glucosamine and not taking it? If you could just give me a quick response instead of linking me to something, that would be great. I think I've clicked on all the links that Avant Reps have posted and it has just confused me.

    I appreciate your time!

  8. Well I have to be honest (and I'm not trying to sound like a jackass)- I have really good genes for building mass. Still, that much weight is good regardless.

    All I took was SyntheSIZE and bumped my cals up a little. I took it with my first meal of the day, with my pre-workout meal, and with my post workout shake.

    It's very important to take it with meals. I can't stress that enough. Also, timing is very important. I've found through personal experimentation that the dosing I listed above is the best way to go about it- first meal, pre-workout meal, post-workout shake.

    Well, glucosamine activates the hexosamine pathway for leptin manipulation (it's complicated), but if you're taking SyntheSIZE for cutting/recomp, I don't think you're supposed to add glucosamine. But I'm not 100% sure. Let me check with the R & D guys and I'll get back with you.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage View Post
    Well I have to be honest (and I'm not trying to sound like a jackass)- I have really good genes for building mass. Still, that much weight is good regardless.

    All I took was SyntheSIZE and bumped my cals up a little. I took it with my first meal of the day, with my pre-workout meal, and with my post workout shake.

    It's very important to take it with meals. I can't stress that enough. Also, timing is very important. I've found through personal experimentation that the dosing I listed above is the best way to go about it- first meal, pre-workout meal, post-workout shake.

    Well, glucosamine activates the hexosamine pathway for leptin manipulation (it's complicated), but if you're taking SyntheSIZE for cutting/recomp, I don't think you're supposed to add glucosamine. But I'm not 100% sure. Let me check with the R & D guys and I'll get back with you.
    Ok great, thanks. I was planning on dosing at those times. I can't wait to see what this does.

    Lemme know what you find out and what the difference between w/glucosamine and w/o glucosamine is.

  10. I think you'll start noticing better pumps and endurance after a couple of days of usage, and from there, the effects keep building up (endurance, pumps, weight gain).

    I started using it again the other day to help me retain muscle while cutting. I take in very low carbs and I do circuit training, so I feel pretty rough most of the time. The SyntheSIZE has definitely helped endurance, though, plus I even got a little bit of a pump yesterday. A pump while doing circuit training.

    Still have to talk to one of the R & D guys on the glucosamine thing.

  11. Oh, BTW, you need to buy the beta from nutraplanet.com. We sold all of the beta stock to them to make way for the final version coming in a couple of weeks.

    And it's only 29.99 from them. Dizzamn.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage View Post
    I think you'll start noticing better pumps and endurance after a couple of days of usage, and from there, the effects keep building up (endurance, pumps, weight gain).

    I started using it again the other day to help me retain muscle while cutting. I take in very low carbs and I do circuit training, so I feel pretty rough most of the time. The SyntheSIZE has definitely helped endurance, though, plus I even got a little bit of a pump yesterday. A pump while doing circuit training.

    Still have to talk to one of the R & D guys on the glucosamine thing.
    what about the use of WMS with SyntheSIZE? and at what times?

  13. Here's how I think it should look with WMS-

    Pre-workout meal + SyntheSIZE + 1/2 WMS + 1/2 SuperCarb

    Then

    Post-workout shake + SyntheSIZE + 1/2 WMS + 1/2 SuperCarb

    You want to combine a light, fast digesting carb source like WMS with a light, slow digesting carb source like SuperCarb so you have appropriate levels of glucose at all times around workouts.

    This will give incredible endurance and fullness, and ultimately, anabolism.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage View Post
    Still have to talk to one of the R & D guys on the glucosamine thing.
    Hear anything about the Synthesize plus Glucosamine? I plan on beginning use tomorrow at breakfast and pre and post w/o with 35 g WMS + 10-15 g BCAA each. 30 min after my post w/o WMS+BCAA I do about 50 g whey. Do you think I would be better off with mixing the Synthesize with the WMS+BCAA or with the whey?

    Also, if you have heard a response could you provide more information than a yes or no on the glucosamine? I would really appreciate a 'why' also. If it takes a while to get the 'why', that's totally fine with me.

    Thanks for the help!

  15. Still waiting to hear back on the glucosamine. I'll let you know as soon as I know.

    Where's the SuperCarb?!

    In all seriousness, you need a slower digesting carb in there somewhere, IMO, whether it's SuperCarb or whatever. Glucose spikes are necessary at certain times, of course, but so is sustained glucose during workouts.

    I think it would be fine to take SyntheSIZE with our post-workout WMS and BCAAs. Maybe just shrink the time interval between that and the whey, though. For example, maybe only wait 15-20 minutes to take the whey.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage View Post
    Still waiting to hear back on the glucosamine. I'll let you know as soon as I know.

    Where's the SuperCarb?!

    In all seriousness, you need a slower digesting carb in there somewhere, IMO, whether it's SuperCarb or whatever. Glucose spikes are necessary at certain times, of course, but so is sustained glucose during workouts.

    I think it would be fine to take SyntheSIZE with our post-workout WMS and BCAAs. Maybe just shrink the time interval between that and the whey, though. For example, maybe only wait 15-20 minutes to take the whey.
    Thanks for the quick response. I'm going to dose the glucosamine as of right now and wait to hear otherwise.

    Yeah I've thought of adding another type of carb in there. I just placed an order for a bunch stuff about a week or two ago, so I'm gonna hold off for a little while longer so I can make a larger purchase all at once. Any chance of getting NP to stock SuperCarb? If you do get them to stock it, I will buy it.

    I've heard of people using oats in there shakes...if you do use oats, do people grind them up first or just throw them in the shake? I never quite understood how that worked. I'm about to go to the grocery store so I will pick up a big canister of steel cut oats. Hope that's slow enough.

    I will also shorten the time between the WMS+BCAA and the whey. Maybe I will mix the whey with some oats...

    Thanks again.

  17. Yeah, NP will have the final version of SuperCarb very soon. It'll launch with SyntheSIZE final and what I like to call "Codename Pwnsauce". (Plus, there will be a big announcement at that point)

    The oats thing I've never really understood either. Some guys just throw them in a shake, but that is freakin' disgusting to me. Plus, it makes me feel way too full. I like feeling light when I workout.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage View Post
    Yeah, NP will have the final version of SuperCarb very soon. It'll launch with SyntheSIZE final and what I like to call "Codename Pwnsauce". (Plus, there will be a big announcement at that point)

    The oats thing I've never really understood either. Some guys just throw them in a shake, but that is freakin' disgusting to me. Plus, it makes me feel way too full. I like feeling light when I workout.
    Hahaha "Pwnsauce". Well, I will be on the lookout for Pwnsauce. Sounds like a pre w/o something or other.

    As for the oats, I might just throw them into my whey shake and keep the pre w/o shakes light. I'm looking at the steel cut oats for the first time right now and they definitely have a different consistency than rolled oats. Rolled oats are flat, flaky, and are kind of powdered. Steel cuts oats look exactly like they are called...little pieces of cut up oats. So it makes more sense to throw these in a shake than other oats.

    I'll give it a whirl.

  19. Pwnsauce "A blend of banned Australian imports so nelix can't buy it".

  20. I really hate to say it, nelix, but that will be true.

    However, I bet NP could help you out.

  21. So does anything you order from here ever get through?

  22. For my oats I put them in the shaker in water pre-wo, so they are saturated by PWO. Steel cut oats are definitely not as heavy as old fashioned. I still don't mind the old fashioned though.

    If both are too heavy for your stomach, get a coffee grinder and grind them up, that'll make it much lighter on the stomach

  23. Quote Originally Posted by redhawk76 View Post
    For my oats I put them in the shaker in water pre-wo, so they are saturated by PWO. Steel cut oats are definitely not as heavy as old fashioned. I still don't mind the old fashioned though.

    If both are too heavy for your stomach, get a coffee grinder and grind them up, that'll make it much lighter on the stomach
    Hmmm I might have to try soaking my oats well before drinking my shake then. Thanks!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage View Post
    Well I have to be honest (and I'm not trying to sound like a jackass)- I have really good genes for building mass. Still, that much weight is good regardless.

    All I took was SyntheSIZE and bumped my cals up a little. I took it with my first meal of the day, with my pre-workout meal, and with my post workout shake.

    It's very important to take it with meals. I can't stress that enough. Also, timing is very important. I've found through personal experimentation that the dosing I listed above is the best way to go about it- first meal, pre-workout meal, post-workout shake.

    Well, glucosamine activates the hexosamine pathway for leptin manipulation (it's complicated), but if you're taking SyntheSIZE for cutting/recomp, I don't think you're supposed to add glucosamine. But I'm not 100% sure. Let me check with the R & D guys and I'll get back with you.

    Sounds good. I might have to save my SynthaSIZE until a week into my 3-AD cycle I just started, or else I might not know which is doing what???

  25. Well I'd just stack them together to get the absolute most out of your cycle, unless you just want to do a little experiment to find out what's doing what.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage View Post
    Well I'd just stack them together to get the absolute most out of your cycle, unless you just want to do a little experiment to find out what's doing what.
    Yes, it is a tough call. I want to see what 3-AD has to offer though, hence the waiting of SynthaSIZE. This is why I might wait half way through my cycle (2 weeks) before I start taking SynthaSIZE. But it is so hard to resist. I hear it SynthaSIZE calling me

  27. Damn I can't wait until the two pre-workout drinks are out. Those two plus SyntheSIZE are just going to DOMINATE.

    Straight gangsta' mack.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Sir Savage View Post
    Well, glucosamine activates the hexosamine pathway for leptin manipulation (it's complicated), but if you're taking SyntheSIZE for cutting/recomp, I don't think you're supposed to add glucosamine. But I'm not 100% sure. Let me check with the R & D guys and I'll get back with you.
    any update regarding this statmenet? i thought glucosamine was important to add to synthesize during dieting. anyways, i just got my beta tubs and would like to start soon so if you could give more info on this, it would be appreciated. also, is there anything that will deactivate this pathway?

    maybe ill browse the avant labs and M & M forums to look for answers.

  29. No update on that, sorry fellas. Still waiting.

    I'm going to go ask Pharaoh himself and get back with y'all.

  30. I'll tell you this much, and I don't know if it's the Synthesize or the mega dosed BCAA or both, but I have been on the ECA stack for the past five days and although I have been drained the past two days I have begun to lean out yet my weight has not budged.

    I'm seeing my abs again and am really looking forward to drudging through the next two weeks of ECA. The SyntheSize and BCAA should help to keep my muscles intact.

    Oh and I've been taking 2g of glucosamine hcl with each serving of SyntheSize. Morning, pre w/o, and post w/o on w/o days. At main three meals on off days.
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