- 05-23-2007, 03:36 PM
- 05-23-2007, 03:52 PM
05-23-2007, 07:08 PM
05-23-2007, 07:34 PM
05-23-2007, 07:36 PM
i was gonna order these prohormones a while back
when i didn tknow anything about it
ive heard recently
that these are fake substances
that their a big joke
so i wouldnt waste my money on them
05-23-2007, 07:37 PM
05-24-2007, 03:07 PM
thanks guys thats the info I was looking for. Maybe I could have worded my question better the first time.
05-24-2007, 03:17 PM
No worries, some people get offensive because of the people who can post questions with obvious answers. It's all good
06-07-2007, 11:51 AM
I have not seen any good reviews of this product on this board but has anyone heard anything decent?
I don't think 4-AD would be good on its own but might it be good as a stacker to have a little actual test in your body while shutting down your own? Thoughts?
Serving Size: 1 capsule
Servings per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
4-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one 200mg **
1,4,6 etioallocholan-dione 5mg **
Luteolin 3mg **
Standarized Forkolin 10mg **
Piperine 2mg **
06-07-2007, 11:55 AM
Also I think someone said that this was tested and so was DHEA and they came back the same. They do have the same molecular weight and would most likely cleave at the same place so if the test was MS that would make sense to me. If anyone has the results of this test they have seen that would be cool though.
06-07-2007, 12:07 PM
Didn't mean to sound like a peen. It's just this board gets so many questions that search can answer.
The product is bunk. If you like the effects of it just dose DHEA and some other goodies and save your money. If you are looking for something non-Ph or non-PS try the from ARLI. It's Jungle warfare, , And . It's my between cycles cycle.
06-07-2007, 12:24 PM
So I guess what I'm asking is does anyone think this would be a decent stacker with the legal methyl's and ph's that do a number on libido?
06-07-2007, 12:28 PM
I'll see if I can dig it up, but somebody logged it here with lab tests along the way...most weren't very impressed with the results.
4-AD by AMS...any good?
One of the main ingredients is diandrone, which is an obsolete name for DHEA: 4-AD by AMS...any good?Unless labeled incorrectly I am pretty sure this is not DHEA and would convert to test at least a little
RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
06-07-2007, 12:33 PM
...sorry...the option to delete isn't showing up for some reason.
RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
06-07-2007, 12:37 PM
06-07-2007, 12:40 PM
06-07-2007, 12:44 PM
06-07-2007, 12:46 PM
If the ATD is the reason it showed an increase than yes you are right, totally worthless. If it does convert, possibly good stacker. Max Muscle sells this product w/o the ATD, Nettle and such. Anybody ran it? Called TT-40 I think.
12-27-2007, 08:58 PM
Everyone seems to put down this particular product without using it and then they recommend some other "junk" for someone to take that they have tried and if someone on this forum is actually a chemist that could describe the whole process then dont say its junk when you havent even used it because for all you know is that it might work. Isnt that what we all hope for before we start something we havent taken before. Because if we are going to refer anything to the old andro days we need to refer to all of these new supplements as "junk". DHEA or not DHEA if you find a purpose for it and it actually works I will use it because if it didnt have a purpose it would not be so widespread maybe with all the advances in science nowadays maybe someone found a reason for it. For God sakes we never thought we would have phones that we could connect to the internet to 10 years ago or even have cell phones that work so good 20 years ago. And look at NO2 everything has it in its product nowadays when its been around since the begining!
12-27-2007, 09:02 PM
12-27-2007, 09:27 PM
12-28-2007, 01:40 AM
08-01-2010, 03:48 PM
08-01-2010, 04:04 PM
AMS has come out with a new version of 1-Ad, by adding increased bioavailability using Hydroxypropyl Beta Cyclodextrin.
Primordial Performance uses 1-ad as well in a topical solution and there are lots of logs and pleased results.
Personally if you have your diet is good and your training is good, then this compound will be of use solo, or as a stacker.
At high doses of 500-800 mg's you will see some awesome results, but there is no need to do that when it is using the Hydroxypropyl Beta Cyclodextrin.
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