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    is ephedra illegal??


    i have searched the boards and havent gotten a real answer as to the legality of it nowadays (may 1 2007)

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    No, you can pick up Ephedrine HCL for like 6 bucks a box at any pharmacy.
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    Not sure if it's legal to sell in weight loss sups, but it's sold for asthma treatment and decongestion OTC. Check out Bronkaid, I get it at rite-aid 24 caps 25mg each for 5.99
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    primatine tablets 6 bucks at any drug store
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    Primatene is usually a little cheaper than Bronkaid, but it's only 12.5 mg Eph. HCl per pill. Bronkaid is 25mg Eph. Sulfate per pill. The only difference in the HCl vs the sulfate is the shelf life. HCl is something like 48-54 months to where the sulfate is only 36 months. I would have to say that the Bronkaid (made by Bayer) is the best deal for your asthma needs
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    I either love you guys for this info, or hate you for the possibility of turning me into an ephedrine junky again.
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    It's great, but I only use it when I need to study for extended periods of time...all that biology makes me short of breath and wheezy
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    You can find it, like anything else. I wouldn't use it though as it stresses the heart extremely. Even most brand name stimulant products present a heavy load on one's heart muscle. Better to focus on a good diet and some cardio with minor stimulation from stimulants, than to call 911 with a blue face
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    thanks yall for the help!!
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    arnt all those brands laced with [gueifistane]spelling?---a muscle relaxant?---not good for workout
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    Quote Originally Posted by skull View Post
    arnt all those brands laced with [gueifistane]spelling?---a muscle relaxant?---not good for workout
    Guafenisin is an expectorant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier View Post
    Guafenisin is an expectorant.
    ALSO A MUSCLE RELAXANT--Ill post some articals later got to go to work
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    Quote Originally Posted by skull View Post
    ALSO A MUSCLE RELAXANT--Ill post some articals later got to go to work
    Never knew that.
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    Ephedrine and ephedra are two different things. Ephedrine is the synthetic version and ephedra is the herbal version. I can't speak about the legality of ephedra because I haven't looked into it but I know you can buy ephedrine legally (it's a bit of a pain in the a$$ because of the paperwork required but it's not too bad).
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    No Guafa-whatsit present here, which, from my experience, is a rarity... thanks for the link, I'll be purchasing there from now on
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Primatene is usually a little cheaper than Bronkaid, but it's only 12.5 mg Eph. HCL per pill. Bronkaid is 25mg Eph. Sulfate per pill. The only difference in the HCL vs the sulfate is the shelf life. HCL is something like 48-54 months to where the sulfate is only 36 months. I would have to say that the Bronkaid (made by Bayer) is the best deal for your asthma needs
    You're missing another important difference, that being you get less alkaloid per mg when you change the salts from chloride to sulfate.

    25mg Ephedrine SO4 is about 96 micromoles
    12.5mg Ephedrine HCl is about 63 micromoles

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    Some online retailers still have products such as E&G Labs Tri Methy Lean available...... not a bad product, but only 10 mg Ephedra Alkaloids per capsule.
    Now, a man with balls would just go straight to the veterinary pharmacies and get some 1r, 2s norephedrine............
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    you can still buy lipodrene w/ephedra at lots of online shops...
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    Quote Originally Posted by charger71 View Post
    you can still buy lipodrene w/ephedra at lots of online shops...
    Lipodrene uses Sida Cordifolia, as opposed to the more popular Ma Huang. I believe the alkaloid profile of Sida is not as efficient as a fatburner.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    You're missing another important difference, that being you get less alkaloid per mg when you change the salts from chloride to sulfate.

    25mg Ephedrine SO4 is about 96 micromoles
    12.5mg Ephedrine HCl is about 63 micromoles

    Damn you and your chemical engineering! LOL...
    Yeah, but they both come in packs of 24 (not sure if the primatene tabs are easily split in half though as a one and a half pills would be the equivalent μmoles to one bronkaid).

    $5.00 for 24 tabs of HCl ~ 1510 micromoles total ~300 μmole/$
    $6.20 for 24 tabs of SO4 ~ 2300 micromoles total~370 μmole/$

    So yeah, you do only get about 75% of the alkaloids per mg, but the Bronkaid's higher doesage makes up for it, right?...micromoles, lol, it just dawned on me how small of a unit we're talking about.

    EDIT: So this means that 25mg of Eph SO4 ~ 19mg of Eph HCl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    You're missing another important difference, that being you get less alkaloid per mg when you change the salts from chloride to sulfate.

    25mg Ephedrine SO4 is about 96 micromoles
    12.5mg Ephedrine HCl is about 63 micromoles

    As a personal testimony, I don't "feel" the sulfate version as much as the HCl version when I take equal amounts of each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by festus View Post
    As a personal testimony, I don't "feel" the sulfate version as much as the HCl version when I take equal amounts of each.
    You shouldn't, you're getting ~1/3 less ephedrine.


    .....And for the record, 10mg of free-based ephedrine is about 61 micromoles.


    Primatene also comes in 60 packs for $8.99, so that's 420 μmole/$ (and that's based off your above figures, stxnas).
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    1 micromole is 602200000000000000 molecules. What's your definition of small?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Primatene also comes in 60 packs for $8.99, so that's 420 μmole/$ (and that's based off your above figures, stxnas).
    Heh...not sure if it's due to FL law, but I have not seen anything larger than the 24 packs here (I know pseudoephedrine can't be sold more than 3.6g at a time).

    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    1 micromole is 602200000000000000 molecules. What's your definition of small?
    Now you're just trying to confuse me!
    LOL, you know what I meant...a μmole is only 1/1,000,000 of a mole. ANYWAY...can you get those 60 packs at pharmacies or is it online.
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    Ephedrine was made illegal to market as a supplement, but then an article popped up around here stating that a federal judge overturned the ban saying that the FDA needed to prove that it was harmful not just state it was. That was about a year ago, maybe. Haven't kept up on it, I've been an ephedra junkie, not going back......
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildman536 View Post
    i have searched the boards and havent gotten a real answer as to the legality of it nowadays (may 1 2007)
    ephidrine is illegal to market and sell in a weightloss product however there are over the counter asthma meds that have it relatively cheat at any pharmacy.
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    My old gym still sells it.
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    I don't know I've quit my stim use due to adrenal fatigue. I was tired even with them so its time to back off it for awhile. So maybe you can? I just did a quick websearch because my old gym had two weight loss stims specifically for weight loss not even 5 months ago.
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    ok so if i want good old mega pro vasopro im going to have to fax a copy of my id to one of those sites that still sell it?
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    Just go to your local pharmacy. CVS, Walgreens, etc...it's about half price for Bronkaid or Primatene and it's the same thing as Vasopro...well, Primatene is the same thing...refer back to thesinner's & my posts earlier in the thread for the differences with Bronkaid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier View Post
    I either love you guys for this info, or hate you for the possibility of turning me into an ephedrine junky again.
    lol when i was reading this thread i said the same thing. i may search for a product with E already in it for my next cutting cycle but its good to know that i can go right down the road and pick me up a 24pack of ephedrine from rite-aid if i need it ... i never cared to look for that kinda stuff when i was in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Just go to your local pharmacy. CVS, Walgreens, etc...it's about half price for Bronkaid or Primatene and it's the same thing as Vasopro...well, Primatene is the same thing...refer back to thesinner's & my posts earlier in the thread for the differences with Bronkaid.
    ok. if you say its the same ill get some tomorrow. the Prima is the better of the two?
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    Read page one of the thread. Thesinner and I go back and forth about the two types of ephedrine available: SO4 vs HCl (Bronkaid vs Primatene). "Better" is a relative/subjective term. You'll see what I mean after reading the first page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Read page one of the thread. Thesinner and I go back and forth about the two types of ephedrine available: SO4 vs HCL (Bronkaid vs Primatene). "Better" is a relative/subjective term. You'll see what I mean after reading the first page.
    i read it. im kinda deedeedee when it comes to that stuff but if you say prima is just like vasopro thats good enough for me.
    thanks
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    just some random thoughts on some reasearch Ive been doing on --clen ,ephedra, and methylhexaneamine[AMP]---Ive read about how clen can cause "cell death"in the heart and how long term use of amphetamines[e/c] can do the same [plus a bunch of other bad things]Now it seems to be a matter of what the motivation of the person [and what there trying to sell] If ephedra and AMP are safe --long term--short term ? it seems that because ephedra is not man made [natural] if used reasonably, its more safe ?and who really knows how safe methylhexaneamine[AMP] is? and anyway I also read that they now know that heart muscle can regenerate itsself unlike brain cells
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildman536 View Post
    i have searched the boards and havent gotten a real answer as to the legality of it nowadays (may 1 2007)

    I just bought 5 bottles of "Ripped Power" which is an identical formula of the old Twinlab "ripped fuel" with mahuang. I bought it from a legit website in the U.S. Utah to be exact.
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    You can also pick up ephedra at almost any truck stop/conveniance store. It is usually behind the counter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad View Post
    i read it. im kinda deedeedee when it comes to that stuff but if you say prima is just like vasopro thats good enough for me.
    thanks
    Ha ha, fair enough. Primatene is the same thing, but it's only 12.5mg/pill and Vasopro is 25mg/pill.

    ...and ephedra is no longer legally sold as a stimulant or weightloss product. It can only be sold as a bronchiodialator and the product must contain an expecotorant as well.
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