What supp for cracking bones??
- 04-11-2007, 11:32 AM
What supp for cracking bones??
My body seems to make these small creaks and cracks a fair bit of the time, it doesn't hurt or anything, just more of an annoyance.
I take glucosamine, and have been for years, but I still get this small cracks here and there. For instance, when I get up and start walking my left knee will make a cracking sound, it's like the bones or joints are lubricated enough.
Any recommendations on something to take?
- 04-11-2007, 12:33 PM
By far the best thing for joints or anything pertaining to them. Cissus also overtime can become anabolic! It has been a staple of mine for sometime now. PAL has a great product called Incarnate --- it not only has cissus, but also has beta-alanine both build and become more effective the longer you use them.
If dollars are tight though, I would stick with Nutra's Bulk Cissus. GL my friend!
- 04-11-2007, 12:36 PM
04-11-2007, 12:47 PM
I've read that cracking joints may be due to the popping of gas bubbles which form in between the joints. As long as there's no pain involved, it should be harmless IMO. If you're thinking it's due to joint lubrication, you may want to look into supplemental Hyaluronic Acid.
04-11-2007, 01:00 PM
04-11-2007, 01:00 PM
Cissus quadrangularis is an ancient medicinal plant native to the hotter parts of Ceylon and India. It was prescribed in the ancient Ayurvedic texts as a general tonic and analgesic, with specific bone fracture healing properties. Modern research has shed light on Cissus' ability to speed bone healing by showing it acts as a glucocorticoid antagonist (1,2). Since anabolic/androgenic compounds are well known to act as antagonists to the glucocorticoid receptor as well as promote bone growth and fracture healing, it has been postulated that Cissus possesses anabolic and/or androgenic properties (1,3). In addition to speeding the remodeling process of the healing bone, Cissus also leads to a much faster increase in bone tensile strength. In clinical trials Cissus has led to a fracture healing time on the order of 55 to 33 percent of that of controls. That cissus exerts antiglucocorticoid properties is suggested by a number of studies where bones were weakend by treatment with cortisol, and upon administration of Cissus extract the cortisol induced weakening was halted, and the healing process begun.
While the increased rate of bone healing may be of great significance to persons suffering from chronic diseases like osteoporosis (4), the antiglucocorticoid properties of Cissus are likely of much more interest to the average bodybuilder or athlete, since endogenous glucocorticoids, particularly cortisol, are not only catabolic to bone, but catabolize muscle tissue as well. Numerous studies over the years have suggested that glucorticoids, including the body's endogenous hormone cortisol activate pathways that degrade not only bone, but skeletal muscle tissue as well. A recently published report documented exactly how glucocorticoids (including cortisol) induce muscle breakdown: They activate the so-called ubiquitin-proteasome pathway of proteolysis (5). This pathway of tissue breakdown is important for removing damaged and non-functional proteins. However, when it is overactive during periods of elevated cortisol (e.g disease states, stress, and overtraining) excess amounts of normal tissue are broken down as well. By exerting an anabolic, antiglucorticoid effect cissus helps preserve muscle tissue during times of physical and emotional stress.
Although the bulk of the research on Cissus centers around bone healing, the possibility exists that Cissus may act to improve bone healing it may improve the healing rate of connective tissue in general, including tendons. If this is the case it would be of great benefit to bodybuilders and athletes.
Besides the above-mentioned properties of Cissus, the plant is also rich in the vitamins/antioxidants vitamin C and beta-carotene. As analyzed, Cissus quadrangularis contained ascorbic acid 479 mg, and carotene 267 units per 100g of freshly prepared paste in addition to calcium oxalate (6).
The typical recommended daily dosage of Cissus extract is between 100 and 500 mg, depending on the concentration of the extract and the severity of symptoms. For the powder of the dried plant, the Ayurvedic texts recommend a dosage of 3 to 6 grams to accelerate fracture healing. Safety studies in rats showed no toxic effects at dosages as high as 2000 mg/kg of body weight. So not only is Cissus efficacious, it is also quite safe, in either the dried powder form or the commercially available extract.
Cissus also possess analgesic properties on a mg per mg basis comparable to aspirin or anti-inflammatory drugs like ibuprofen. Cissus quadrangularis constitutes one of the ingredients of an Ayurvedic preparation, `Laksha Gogglu', which has been proved to be highly effective in relieving pain, reduction of swelling and promoting the process of healing of the simple fractures as well as in curing the allied disorders associated with fractures (7). The mechanism through which Cissus exerts its analgesic and anti-inflammatory properties has not been well characterized. It may act centrally, but the anti-inflammatory features suggest that it acts by preventing the conversion of arachidonic acid to inflammatory prostaglandins.
1) Chopra SS, Patel MR, Awadhiya RP. Studies of Cissus quadrangularis in experimental fracture repair : a histopathological study Indian J Med Res. 1976 Sep;64(9):1365-8
2) Chopra SS, Patel MR, Gupta LP, Datta IC. Studies on Cissus quadrangularis in experimental fracture repair: effect on chemical parameters in blood Indian J Med Res. 1975 Jun;63(6):824-8.
3) PRASAD GC, UDUPA KN. EFFECT OF CISSUS QUADRANGULARIS ON THE HEALING OF CORTISONE TREATED FRACTURES. Indian J Med Res. 1963 Jul;51:667-76.
4) Shirwaikar A, Khan S, Malini S. Antiosteoporotic effect of ethanol extract of Cissus quadrangularis Linn. on ovariectomized rat. J Ethnopharmacol. 2003 Dec;89(2-3):245-50.
5) Combaret L, Taillandier D, Dardevet D, Bechet D, Ralliere C, Claustre A, Grizard J, Attaix D Glucocorticoids regulate mRNA levels for subunits of the 19 S regulatory complex of the 26 S proteasome in fast-twitch skeletal muscles. Biochem J. 2004 Feb 15;378(Pt 1):239-46.
6) Chidambara Murthy KN, Vanitha A, Mahadeva Swamy M, Ravishankar GA. Antioxidant and antimicrobial activity of Cissus quadrangularis L. J Med Food. 2003 Summer;6(2):99-105.
7) Panda, J Res Ayurv Siddha, 1990, 11, 7
04-11-2007, 01:20 PM
I also got the strange cracking, but I haven't been to worried about it because it doesn't hurt at all just sounds weird. Like I might be doing delt raises and I can hear cracking sounds in my shoulder but I feel nothing lol. Everytime I roll my shoulders backwards I hear the bones clicking sorta actually, but as long as it doesn't hurt I think i'm fine.
04-11-2007, 01:26 PM
04-11-2007, 01:57 PM
04-11-2007, 03:05 PM
Thanks for all the replies guys! I appreciate it.
04-11-2007, 11:52 PM
04-12-2007, 06:25 AM
I would give lots of fish oil and some celadrin a shot too.
04-12-2007, 07:49 AM
I was always under the impression that the 'popping of joints' was actually the tendons snapping into place. I can sometimes crack my chest, and there's no joints there.
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04-12-2007, 07:57 AM
it can be both, my wrists crack and it feels like the tendon, my back, etc... its definetly not the tendon....same with your knuckles
* and yes there are joints on the anterior of your body/thorax...chest/sternum....ie, sternocostal joint
04-12-2007, 12:54 PM
One of the main problems with my shoulder is due to the fact the i constantly lay on one or the other during sleep. Its killing my shoulders!!
I due take cissus though and it is helping with the pain in them, but it seems to be more of a mental issue for me to stop sleeping on my shoulder and start sleeping on my back.
04-12-2007, 12:57 PM
gogo i had the exact same problem..it got so bad it hurt to lift my arm over my head. Consciously stop yourself from doing that!!>.its hard, cause ive slept the same way my whole life, but you gotta man its brutal on your shoulder. I would catch myself doing it and correct it all the time, now its fine.
04-12-2007, 01:00 PM
04-12-2007, 01:41 PM
I've had that same problem with sleeping too. I have a tendency to sleep on my stomach with my arms around and under my pillow and I end up rolling my right shoulder under my body while I'm asleep and wake up with a serious pain near my AC joint. I got one of those memory foam type pillows a while ago and it's helped me be able to sleep on my back all night instead.
04-12-2007, 01:47 PM
Bro have to go with Osteobolin-C From Applied Neutriceuticals, this is the original version of cissus and its unreal!! No more creaks and cracks here. Plus it healed up my Biceps Tendonitis.
This formula also includes Vit C which works very very well with the cissus!
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