GLA + Endothil-Cr= Amazing stack?
- 04-04-2007, 07:04 PM
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Can you send me a link with all of the extensive research that you did on this product before you dropped $50 + dollars on? I know Green Tomato Extract is a potent anti-oxidant, but since when do they produce muscle in large amounts??
Here is a list of other arrogant people like myself that have no idea what we are talking about.
Endothil-CR... double strength in 6 weeks???
- 04-04-2007, 07:20 PM
I did change my lifting habits, i went to failure as advised. I probably put on 15lbs in a 30 day supply, I was increasing caloric intake like crazy though. I am roughly at 250 when im at my lowest, and Im an extreme endo, so 15 lbs in a month isnt that extra-ordinary.
I have done some research in my lab for pharmaceutics. My lab professor was pretty interested because his wife suffers from muscular dystrophy. We had done a light muscle biopsy of a couple "knock-out" mice, and while the results were not too extraordinary under similar conditions the vascular diffusion of blood oxygen seemed increased.
Now I thought I put my reply in a very nice and gentlemen like format, and I will continue to. Some people are non-responders like yourself, but if it works for someone (who obviously has done a little more research than you) why come into the forum and bash it. Im not going to explain how endothil works, read the above posts, and since this is an opinionated forum I will stop here.
04-04-2007, 10:44 PM
I believe you are the one that said I hadn't even tried the product. Why don't you ask before you assume?? Also, you're not taking into account the fact that you could very well put on 15 lbs. by changing your workout and increasing caloric intake like "crazy" anyways. Don't tell me what I have and haven't done research on, I believe in my last post, I asked you for some concrete research, and all you have for me is a so called " muscle Biopsy" in which you explain to me exactly what is also said in the endothil advertisement. I tried to do as much research on the subject as I could, but I find it very odd that this amazing product doesn't have too much info on it, and it has been out for a few years... All I ask from you is some solid proof that your gains were directly associated with Endothil, NOT your Crazy intake of calories, and NOT your workout routine. I'm not arrogant by any means, I just like to have science back up claims made by companies. Is that such a problem??
04-04-2007, 11:12 PM
04-05-2007, 02:53 PM
Once again.... I asked for solid proof that shows Green Tomato extract is directly related to large mucle growth in humans... Not the structural change in a ripening tomato etc. etc. I hate arguing with people over stupid subjects as such, but you are not impressing anyone with your jargon filled "Beneficial Information" that you "Googled" right after you read my last post. You stated " this is an opinionatated site", yes, you are correct in saying that. It is my personal opinion through PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, RESEARCH, and LISTENING TO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID, that this product does not work to the extent of their claims. That is what I stated, and you have your right to criticize me, but don't criticize me just for the sake of arguing. Once again.... do you think that there were other factors that greatly contributed to your "MASS" gains other than Endothil??
Does anyone have a view on this subject???
04-05-2007, 05:48 PM
I have no doubt that the ingredients in Endothil are effective for various things. But when you have a proprietary blend of a whopping 9 milligrams, it makes you wonder.
Proprietary Phytonutrient Blend 9mg
Green Tomato SE †
Grape Seed SE †
Green Tea SE †
And it's claiming SE... but standardized for what?
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04-05-2007, 06:34 PM
Ok dude I have been nice. I made this forum because endothil worked for me, if it doesnt work for you, give your 2 cents and shut the hell up. I gave you a study which was un-biased and it talked about the angiogenic properties of GTE (however brief, its mentioned in page 60-61). If you dont like endothil thats fine, bash it and leave. All you are doing is trying to make a point that the product didnt work for you there for it must be a scam. I never purchased my endothil, I got samples from the Arnold, I tried it and even if it was all a placebo effect IT WORKED FOR ME. I dont have to show you months of studies on the subject, its a forum about a new product, get a life.
04-05-2007, 08:32 PM
Chill man. I've tried it too and it didn't work for me. This is just a discussion and some of us have differing opinions.
BTW, Endothil isn't really new.
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-=The Big Squirrel Nut Swingers=-
04-05-2007, 11:57 PM
I know it isnt really new, but it is new to a lot of people because it isnt a widely known about supplement. Ive been under a lot of stress lately with school, work and working on getting accepted into a pharmd. school. So Im sorry I snapped on you manny, its just I created this log because it worked for me and I was trying to get other peoples opinions on whether GLA would work with it.
04-06-2007, 12:57 PM
I don't post here often, but I jsut had to comment on this. Endothil does (or at least used to) provide their "study" on their website, which is where they make their claims from. If you read it, and read it carefully, you will realize that alot of people, including the original poster in this thread, are making SUBSTANTIALLY larger gains in...well...everything, than the participants in the study.
here's a post i mad on another board some time ago about the matter...
These excerpts are from the Research Summary on the product's OWN WEBSITE, so keep that in mind
It appears that the experimental group recieved a 100% upper body strength increase in comparison the placebo group and NOT in comparison to their original strength as the product write-up would lead you to believe. The same holds true for lower body strength increases.Originally Posted by Dr. Daniel B. Mowrey, PhD
Keep in mind that users of this product were to change their program to that described in the product info. So...radically altering your training program for a 6-week period showed a mere 10 lb increase in a 6-week time period? doesn't sound all that extraordinary to me
let's do some basic math hereOriginally Posted by Dr. Daniel B. Mowrey, PhD
placebo group = near 0 increase
experimental group = 4 x placebo group
= 4 x 0
In other words, both groups recieved a near zero increase in bicep circumference. Unfortunately, the summary did not provide a definition of "near zero"
I think this part pretty much speaks for itselfOriginally Posted by Dr. Daniel B. Mowrey, PhD
-I knew this was a scam before i even started lokoing into it. the only reason i did was due to a) a stubborn exercise science teacher who couldn't find any negative information about this product, and therefore took it for face value; b) a friend who believed the stubborn exercise science teacher; and c) the fact that the product write-up in and of itself is VERY misleading. Basically, as stated in Novex Biotech's OWN product summary, one can see that this product produced near zero results for the product testers, aside from VERY modest strength increases, which can be expected when one switches up their training program
have a nice day
04-06-2007, 02:25 PM
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