T3 and natural anabolics
- 03-05-2007, 04:01 PM
T3 and natural anabolics
Is there a natural anabolic supplement/stack that would be strong enough to prevent muscle wasting during a 1 month cycle of T3?
I've been going over a million different options and have finally decided to leave out AAS for the next cutting cycle, and same them for my winter bulk.
- 03-06-2007, 02:26 AM
- 03-06-2007, 01:47 PM
I think you're going to be rolling the dice. Stuff like BAM/Jungle warfare may be worth a shot. I'm no expert on T3 but wouldn't increasing protien/BCAA's help prevent this.
03-06-2007, 03:51 PM
T3 is not actually catabolic to muscle. That is simply an urban legend. It will deflate your muscle and leave you weaker while running it, yes.
03-06-2007, 04:07 PM
I would say that NHA plus ~30g of BCAA/day would be enough as long as you dont run an insanely high dose.
03-07-2007, 12:57 AM
Awesome guys! I actually have a couple of bottles of activate lying around.
Would it be an idea to stack it with BAM and/or JW? Or perhaps the ap+dcp stack?
I'm thinking running it all with Powerfull, DCP and of course T3.
03-08-2007, 03:16 AM
Andros' non hormonal 18 week cutter:
1-4 Clen+Keto, 40mcg IGF1LR3
5-10 NHA Stack, T3
11-14 Clen+Keto, 40mcg IGF1LR3, Thyroid PCT
15-18 NHA Stack, T3
19-22 Thyroid PCT
DCP, Powerfull, Xtend, Vit c, multi vit, glutamine, flax oil.
03-08-2007, 11:10 AM
IMO there is nothing on the market that would hault the catabolic nature of T3 at full dosing (100-200mcgs) depending on tolerance.
T3's nutrient turn over properties are titan-like, if you are really going to run it without synthetic anabolics i would use it at 12.5-25mcgs a day max.
03-08-2007, 11:40 AM
03-08-2007, 06:19 PM
03-08-2007, 07:15 PM
03-09-2007, 05:19 AM
03-09-2007, 06:52 AM
75mcgs without anabolic support will yield some muscle loss, almost guarenteed.
200mcg's of clen? You sure its clen? lol
Ive had blood work done before and after my T3 cycles in the past (3 years ago with no thyroid PCT) and all TSH/T4 levels have been normal.
The taper down is the essential part.
03-09-2007, 09:47 AM
I like it but you need to watch out for catabolism from the clen, not from the T3. Still, you will get ripped.
03-09-2007, 10:17 AM
03-09-2007, 11:30 AM
03-09-2007, 01:54 PM
03-09-2007, 03:37 PM
After the fact, you will see that you "pump up" almost immediately the next day. Transient effects gone, your muscle size and strength is back at 100%. Clenbuterol OTOH seems absolutely catabolic to muscle in humans.
03-09-2007, 04:01 PM
03-09-2007, 04:15 PM
03-09-2007, 05:06 PM
Out of experience running T3 without AAS support i would strongly disagree with you grunt.
12.5mcgs is sufficient to turnover nutrients at a considerable rate (often used to ingest more protein effectively) so in theory if the diet isnt nailed then even that low a dose could be deemed as catabolic?
There are a multitude of factors that could attribute to being in a catabolic state, any compound which turns over nutrients by default must be included under this umbrella.
03-09-2007, 07:50 PM
IMHO I would never run t3 with out AAS support if I wasnt expecting to lose some mass.....although @ 75mcg I'm not sure I run in the 175-200 range....but always with some sort of AAS... Ialso a non-believer in the taper... the thyroid is one of the fastest recovering glands in the body...but I am fairly alone on these thoughts...I had blood work done 8 days ofter a heavy t3 cycle and the results were low normal already...3 weeks later back completely....I have run 7 t3 cycles varying from 2 weeks to 8 weeks.... I wil,l agree that Albuterol would be a nice addition for a lot of reasons.... I hate CLEN
03-09-2007, 11:30 PM
my camel is on t3 and jungle warefare and is getting a little weaker - he could only do 4 reps of 3 plate squats, he usually does 7.
But he is down 10 lb in 3 weeks
03-09-2007, 11:47 PM
Gotta take the bad with the good i guess....My mongolian spider monkey always look flat and loses some strength on t3...but it most def works
03-12-2007, 05:53 AM
04-15-2007, 03:07 PM
ok, i am taking in 300 grams of protein divided into 7 meals a day. do you think going up to 60 mcg of T3 a day will be catabolic? i was planning on going 15, 30, 45, 60 for 3 days at time then tapering back down.
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