[fbody93]

Is there any proof l dopa increases growth hormone levels?
Also is it safe to take both of these together?

[same_old]

Originally Posted by fbody93

Is there any proof l dopa increases growth hormone levels?
Also is it safe to take both of these together?

yes there is proof - it works at about 500mg.

1ng/ml to 27ng/ml

there is also some serious concern about the long term safety of l-dopa. i dont have a ton of details on it, though.

gaba + arginine is a great GH release combo. adding l-dopa to gaba? i dunno, never tried it. sounds like it'd be good.

were you looking at a mucuna pruriens product or the real deal holyfield from the pharm?

[fbody93]

Mucuna Pruriens

[same_old]

cool. get ready to sleep your ass off!

[Wordz_Worf]

I stack ZMA with few grams of GABA everynight and I also take 2 PowerFULL caps since I'm on it now.

Great sleep stack in my opinion.

I do notice since starting the PFULL I'm a little more groggy when I wake up,but the feeling goes away.

I added Arginine to it a few times like same_old was talking about,did'nt really notice anythign different.I got some AEE now,I plan to try that with the GABA aswell to see if that works better.

[same_old]

Originally Posted by Wordz_Worf

I do notice since starting the PFULL I'm a little more groggy when I wake up,but the feeling goes away.

I added Arginine to it a few times like same_old was talking about,did'nt really notice anythign different.I got some AEE now,I plan to try that with the GABA aswell to see if that works better.

i'm with you - powerfull is great but i am way too sleepy the next day. neither gaba nor GHRP-6 do that to me, thank god.

[Rivet]

Originally Posted by same_old

i'm with you - powerfull is great but i am way too sleepy the next day. neither gaba nor GHRP-6 do that to me, thank god.

I like the strength boost I get from PowerFull pre workout but I can barely stay awake during the day using it at the recommended dose.

[Wordz_Worf]

Originally Posted by Rivet

I like the strength boost I get from PowerFull pre workout but I can barely stay awake during the day using it at the recommended dose.

Yeah,same happened to me.

Was taking the old version,started off at 2x3 a day then moved up to 3x3,it made me super tired throughout the day,but it was great for sleep.

I still have a few bottles of the old,I think I will just use them for before sleep stacked with ZMA.

If take them normally,I will stack them something like D.S Basic Cuts to keep the sedative side effects at bay.

[Wordz_Worf]

Originally Posted by same_old

i'm with you - powerfull is great but i am way too sleepy the next day. neither gaba nor GHRP-6 do that to me, thank god.

Have you ever taken any of them at the same time??

I still need to get some bulk L-Valine to stack with AEE and GABA like you suggested in that other thread.

I'm going to start taking a few grams of GABA pre-workout to see if I get any added benefits.Controlled Labs White Blood/White Flood both have GABA and are taken pre-W.O.

[Rivet]

Originally Posted by Wordz_Worf

If take them normally,I will stack them something like D.S Basic Cuts to keep the sedative side effects at bay.

Thats exactly what I was using to TRY and keep the sedative effects at bay but it didn't help much.

[Wordz_Worf]

Originally Posted by Rivet

Thats exactly what I was using to TRY and keep the sedative effects at bay but it didn't help much.

Ah crap,thats too bad.

Maybe just take them before bed??

I wonder if the new PowerFULL has the same effects since it's suppose to give the same results at a lower dosage.

[Rivet]

Originally Posted by Wordz_Worf

Ah crap,thats too bad.

Maybe just take them before bed??

I wonder if the new PowerFULL has the same effects since it's suppose to give the same results at a lower dosage.

Probably its just a more concentrated extract. That stack may work out for you however. At the end of my PowerFull cycle thats what I did I just took it before bed.

[same_old]

Originally Posted by Wordz_Worf

Have you ever taken any of them at the same time??

I still need to get some bulk L-Valine to stack with AEE and GABA like you suggested in that other thread.

I'm going to start taking a few grams of GABA pre-workout to see if I get any added benefits.Controlled Labs White Blood/White Flood both have GABA and are taken pre-W.O.

gaba pre-workout? unless my workout involved napping i couldnt do it. that stuff hits the same anxiolytic receptors as benzodiazepines (xanax, valium) - the effect isnt that different, but minus the euphoria. nothing about that sounds good for trying to get pumped for a workout.

[Wordz_Worf]

Originally Posted by same_old

gaba pre-workout? unless my workout involved napping i couldnt do it. that stuff hits the same anxiolytic receptors as benzodiazepines (xanax, valium) - the effect isnt that different, but minus the euphoria. nothing about that sounds good for trying to get pumped for a workout.

I actually took some pre-workout yesterday and today,1/2 tsp(1030mgs).I took it with Shock Therapy,so I guess the sedative side effects were combated by the Caffeine and other energy giving stuff in ST.

I think it's pretty good.I actually got the idea from pu12en12g(CL rep) in a thread over on bb.com.

I'm going to keep taking the same dose and see if I can notice anything super positive.