SAMe, 5htp, St Johns Wort, Phenibut, Inositol, B-1
- 02-17-2007, 06:06 PM
- 02-18-2007, 02:47 AM
Yes. What are you seeking to treat? Depression? Anxiety?
- 02-18-2007, 11:50 AM
Depression, Anxiety and OCD. But i think the OCD is because of the depression.
02-18-2007, 01:37 PM
Well, I'd suggest that you speak with a professional first. Let them run some tests and get an idea of what is going on. Assuming you've done this (or won't) here's my (non-medical) advice. Remember, I'm just a stranger on the internet. You'd be better off talking to someone who treats such issues for a living.
With that said: All of the products you listed (other than the phenibut) take a period of dosing before you would notice an effect if at all. You won't see your issues disappear when taking them but you are likely to experience a narrowing of the range of negative emotions/behaviors (your lows won't be as low).
Phenibut can have an imemdiate effect in anxiety reduction. Some people don't experience much at all from phenibut. There is a phenibut variant made by IBE called Neurobalance that I highly recommend. Nutraplanet will be carrying it by next week I'm told. However, this is NOT something to take every day. You probably could without much ill effect but it's really the equivalent of a tranquilizer/anxiety reducer in effect and it just strikes me as a bad idea to take such products on a daily basis (JMHO).
St. John's Wart has some mixed science behind it. It may do something for you. It might not. There don't appear to be too many contraindications so it's probably worth a try.
5HTP seems to have a high success rate. I was pretty skeptical about it but I picked up a bottle cheap (it's usually prety spendy) and started taking it during a period of extremely high work stress. About a month later I was reflecting upon my work performance and realized (or at least perceived) that I was handling the stress a lot better than normally.
SAMe is great for liver support. I don't know if there is any good science behind its purported mood elevating properties. It's expensive.
You don't mention L-Theanine but I will. This is an extract from green tea which has an anti-anxiety effect. It only lasts a couple hours but it's enough to take the blunt edge off.
Setting aside my suggestion of seeking professional help, I'd suggest the following:
5HTP and L-Theanine for daily use.
Neurobalance for extremely stressful days.
Take for a month and then evaluate your mental status.
02-18-2007, 01:50 PM
Thx for the advice... I'll give those a try.... Also,
Have you heard of inositol and idebenone?
Note: The only phenibut on nutraplanet is called Phenibut XT.. is that the same?
02-18-2007, 01:59 PM
Idebenone is an analog of CoQ10. I don't know anything about its efficacy:
Idebenone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Inositol: I know nothing about its efficacy:
Inositol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Remember that brain chemistry is a very complex thing. You don't want to start throwing in all sorts of things and seeing what happens. Start slowly and evaluate your progress. See what works and what doesn't. You're trying to create a brain chemistry balance.
As an aside, your issues may not be chemical. You may have other unlying health issues which are manifesting themselves in these symptoms. All the more reason to get a professional work-up before self-medicating.
02-18-2007, 03:14 PM
What type of doctor do you recommend I see for this? Nutritional, Psychologist, etc... Also I think it is chemical but, I could be wrong! You're right, I should take it easy with the supplements, just started taking SAMe today when the 5htp and SJW is working pretty well on their own...
Do you know about Gabapentin and its efficacy?
02-18-2007, 03:29 PM
The thing is that you know what your symptoms are but you don't know the cause. Treating the symptoms might not solve this for you if the underlying cause is ignored.
I know nothing about gabapentin but I found this. This strikes me as something to be avoided without medical supervision.
"Gabapentin is only approved in the USA
for the treatment of people with seizures.
There are few systematic studies that establish
the safety or efficacy of gabapentin as a treat-
ment for people with mood disorders, anxiety or
tardive dyskinesia. While such studies are in
the progress, what is currently known about
the use of gabapentin for the control of mood and
anxiety disorders and tardive dyskinesia comes
mostly from uncontrolled case reports. The few double-blind placebo-controlled studies that have been done to date have not demonstrated that gaba- pentin is an effective mood stbailizer."
02-18-2007, 03:34 PM
Try PEA from nutriplanet good stuff
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