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What is the best creatine on the market and why??
Gotta love those ingredients. When did you add the RR into the mix Crowler.Chaos
Reason? Take a look at the ingredient list ALOT more than just creatine
Whey Protein Isolate Concentrate, Cycle Support, diet, supplements - Chaos
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rhodiola rosea I presume
What is Coarse CM?Coarse Creatine Monohydrate (aka NOT micronized)
A solid Product indeed :thumbsup:Chaos
Reason? Take a look at the ingredient list ALOT more than just creatine
Whey Protein Isolate Concentrate, Cycle Support, diet, supplements - Chaos
CROWLER
They sell micronized CM and CM that wasn't micronized. You don't want it micronized for 2 reasons:What is Coarse CM?
:jaw:They sell micronized CM and CM that wasn't micronized. You don't want it micronized for 2 reasons:
1) it costs more
2) The finer crystals increase the rate of hydrolyzation to creatinine
The larger the CM crystals, the better.
Surface area effects reaction rate. I don't think there's any studies on it. I don't think there should be any studies on it. It is just a general concept of reaction rates.:jaw:
Uh, proof?
It is common knowledge that creatinephosphate (Creatine bonded to PO4) is not 100% stable, and converts to creatinine in the bloodstream at a rate of about 2% (Creatinine definition - Medical Dictionary definitions of popular medical terms)I've never seen a study proving there's anything to the whole creatinine hoopla.
Taken from Bodybuilding.com - Anssi Manninen - Creatine Loading Strategies! What Works Best?I just read this paper (Gina L. Nick, Ph.D., N.D.: Creatine phopshate complex and creatine serum) and I was stuck by the following statements: "Creatine monohydrate is less than 1% soluble in water (0.7%), and therefore most preparations come in powdered form or suspended in a variety of viscous proprietary compounds. Only the soluble 1% is absorbable through the stomach lining. Of the remaining 99% of the ingested monohydrate, roughly 90% will be hydrolyzed to creatinine by stomach acid, leaving about 10% to enter the blood stream and taken by muscle cells."
I just don't understand how bigger particles will absorb as well, or at all. People have less stomach issues with micronized creatine: the particles are more easily dissolved by the body. More dissolved creatine = more creatine absorbed. It's pretty clear undissolved creatine does no good at all.It is common knowledge that creatinephosphate (Creatine bonded to PO4) is not 100% stable, and converts to creatinine in the bloodstream at a rate of about 2% (Creatinine definition - Medical Dictionary definitions of popular medical terms)
Since organic chemistry tells us that all organic hydrates are very unstable in water, it would make sense that creatine monohydrate (being that it's an organic hydrate) is unstable in water.
You're not going to find a study that proves 2 reactants give a product on pubmed so quit trying to use that as a source.
Anyhow, right now we're just overanalyzing my theory. All that I am getting at is the simple fact that 1) powdered CM costs less than micronized. 2) because of it's smaller total surface area less is degraded while you drink it. I think the best thing you could do is to find an article about the old school liquid creatines. I'll try to post one (and hopefully it'll have sources in it) if I have time.
Although the amount of creatine you save during this is probably trivial, IMO it's worth the extra couple bucks you'll save.
Oh, I hear ya. But the cheapo, more grainy creatine is still my favorite. And it'll dissolve eventually, seeing as the particle size doesn't vary too much. Like I said, we're totally over analyzing this.I just don't understand how bigger particles will absorb as well, or at all. People have less stomach issues with micronized creatine: the particles are more easily dissolved by the body. More dissolved creatine = more creatine absorbed. It's pretty clear undissolved creatine does no good at all.
Correct.rhodiola rosea I presume
Your not missing anything. Creatine Mono works just fine as you say...I was under the impression that regular old Creapure Creatine Monohydrate worked just fine, provided you took it with some sugar everyday. Am I missing something?
The bloat plays a pretty big role in the 'size-building' effect of creatine; however, it's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the benefits from creatine.I'm absolutely not up to date on the new creatine stuff - what's the new technology do?
I was under the impression that the bloat was precisely the point, because it's voluminizing the muscle?
I'm always tempted to buy new things, I just don't get it
You're damn right.OH and above all, creatine monohydrate.
Would Poseidon have a pH-buffering effect when taken with creatine? It appears to have a lot of weak, anionic electrolytes in it (phosphate, carbonate, bicarbonate), which have the ability to resist the drop in pH that degrades CM in the stomach.Chaos by Anabolic Innovations! Mixed with Poseidon it's the PERFECT pre workout drink!
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Yes, I think so. I have not tried it personally but the formula looks great and the pH of the solution should be neutral to slightly acidic, which could only help stabilize CM in the stomach. If you have recently eaten a protein meal, it may be good insurance to chew a tums with it also though.Would Poseidon have a pH-buffering effect when taken with creatine? It appears to have a lot of weak, anionic electrolytes in it (phosphate, carbonate, bicarbonate), which have the ability to resist the drop in pH that degrades CM in the stomach.
Or take some alka-seltzer?Yes, I think so. I have not tried it personally but the formula looks great and the pH of the solution should be neutral to slightly acidic, which could only help stabilize CM in the stomach. If you have recently eaten a protein meal, it may be good insurance to chew a tums with it also though.
Yes, that would provide additional buffer as well, but on an empty stomach probably isn't needed.Or take some alka-seltzer?
Dr.D is being modest (as usual) He actually played a role in the Poseidon formula by suggesting the addition of a key ingredient. We are in his debt!Yes, I think so. I have not tried it personally but the formula looks great and the pH of the solution should be neutral to slightly acidic, which could only help stabilize CM in the stomach. If you have recently eaten a protein meal, it may be good insurance to chew a tums with it also though.
Yes, I think so. I have not tried it personally but the formula looks great and the pH of the solution should be neutral to slightly acidic, which could only help stabilize CM in the stomach. If you have recently eaten a protein meal, it may be good insurance to chew a tums with it also though.
Thanks brother!I am just honored to have given a little input my friend, but this is your baby Workin'! It was a product long over due also.
So many guys need the potassium in their diet. Your product is a blessing to anyone serious about hydration and electrolyte balance for peak performance.
Looks like a solid product!I would encourage you guys to check out Axis Labs' - SMASH...It is a great preworkout creatine, the ingredient profile is perfect for me. Thats my vote.
We are testing a few versions of creatine now with Poseidon...Personally, Creatine Mono gets my vote...safe, effective, and most seem to prefer it. The newer generation creatines all look promising, but I still have yet to see one that is much better than a quality CM. I suppose time will tell. Any feedback is welcomed.The bloat plays a pretty big role in the 'size-building' effect of creatine; however, it's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the benefits from creatine.
These new forms of creatine don't suck up as much H2O, but are still supposed to deliver the same performance as regular creatine.
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